Mike "I'm All About the Crimes" Rinder

Bill

Gold Meritorious Patron
Tell me.

How is it different, exactly?

Go on, let's see how you aren't being a hypocrite.
LOL. Wow. Really?

You are "reading minds" (telling people what they are thinking) and dictating what they should be thinking. (Exactly what you accuse Karen of doing).

I'm not telling you what you are thinking and I'm not telling you what to think.

Can you see the difference now? :duh::duh:

:roflmao::roflmao::roflmao::roflmao::roflmao:
 

Alanzo

Bardo Tulpa
You're just attacking without ever having bothered to look. Keep your blinders on, Alanzo.

I've exposed many, many crimes. Maybe hundreds. Look them up for yourself. But you? Nothing, nada. Just a lot of insulting others who have the courage to come forward.

I've told everything I know. Everything. And you insult me. That's predictable behavior for a Scientology shill who doesn't want the Church of Scientology's crimes exposed.

Here's just a few threads for starters:

https://exscn.net/forum/threads/a-nanny-story.41344/

https://www.forum.exscn.net/threads...i-ie-had-a-psychotic-break-in-your-org.38005/

https://exscn.net/forum/threads/par...ad-a-psychotic-break-in-your-org.43120/page-5

Please note: The first thread of the "How Many People Went Type Three" is not the original thread on this and the majority of posts in that original thread seem to have been lost.
Not trying to downplay this, by the way. This is some of the best of ESMB.

But why do you say I support a group that commits crimes and abuses people? Where have I ever done that?
 

Alanzo

Bardo Tulpa
LOL. Wow. Really?

You are "reading minds" (telling people what they are thinking) and dictating what they should be thinking. (Exactly what you accuse Karen of doing).

I'm not telling you what you are thinking and I'm not telling you what to think.

Can you see the difference now? :duh::duh:

:roflmao::roflmao::roflmao::roflmao::roflmao:
Yes, and you are telling me what I should be doing.

And that's different how? Exactly?

You are criticizing another critic for criticizing a critic. That's hypocritical.

You might not be able to get this point. In fact, we've gone back and forth on this so many times, I'm pretty sure you can't.
 
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Bill

Gold Meritorious Patron
Yes, and you are telling me what I should be doing.

And that's different how? Exactly?

You are doing the same thing. But I'm not telling you that you shouldn't do it. You are criticizing another critic for criticizing a critic. That's hypocritical.

You might be able to get this point.
When did I ever claim that criticizing a "critic" is wrong? I never did, so your whole premise is false.

As usual.
 

Alanzo

Bardo Tulpa
Doing =/= thinking. :duh:

I'm beginning to think that English is not your native tongue.
Your point is that when it comes to criticizing someone for what they are doing, this is different from criticizing someone for what they are thinking.

Is that right, Bill?

By the way, you are constantly hitting yourself in the head. :duh: That might be the problem. Have you seen a head specialist?
 

Alanzo

Bardo Tulpa
Mike Rinder, demonstrating that he knows this history in the legal strategies of the Church of Scientology since the early 1980's, shows that he operated on the basis that he understood the difference between civil litigation and criminal indictments. As CO OSA, this would have been his Number 1 priority - to make sure to avoid criminal indictments, and if at all possible, turn them into civil torts.
"The story at the top was that he HAD to vanish so he could not be served with a subpoena in either a civil or criminal matter. Those around him were told in no uncertain terms that it was their job to get an “All Clear” for him so he could return to “normal” life running scientology as he had been doing for many years (despite what was represented to the IRS). This is how Miscavige rose to prominence in scientology. As the “Action Chief CMO Int” he was supposed to run the “Sea Org Missions” (using Hubbard’s “Mission Tech”) that would accomplish this objective of making it safe for Hubbard. He quickly assumed the invented title of “Special Project Ops” to run those Missions and then formed “Special Unit” which was sort of one big “Mission” that encompassed the “All Clear Unit”. This then morphed into Hubbard’s personal “Literary Agency” (ASI – Author Services Inc) and Miscavige took over that with the key people who had been in Special Unit including Norman Starkey, Terri Gamboa, Lyman Spurlock, Greg Wilhere and Marty Rathbun. Once Hubbard died Miscavige shifted over to assume control of RTC. The rest, as they say, is history."
Since he has been out of the Church of Scientology for the last 12 years, he has not exposed any act that would put David Miscavige into criminal jeopardy - even though every day since he has been out he has had the chance to.​
If Mike knew the difference between the power of criminal indictments over civil litigation, and if he was this major crime fighter against the Church of Scientology, why hasn't he revealed any crimes?​
Why has he wound everyone up onto the next civil suit if he knows how easy it is for DM to avoid being placed into legal jeopardy?​
Just ask yourself that question. I'm not the first critic to think about this, by the way. The idea is not original to me. So if you think about it, you won't be making me right or anything, okay?​
Just think about it.​
Allow yourself to think about it.

This passage proves that Mike has always known that criminal indictments were much more of a threat than civil litigation. Why has he concentrated on civil litigation then?​
 
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Bill

Gold Meritorious Patron
Your point is that when it comes to criticizing someone for what they are doing, this is different from criticizing someone for what they are thinking.

Is that right, Bill?

By the way, you are constantly hitting yourself in the head. :duh: That might be the problem. Have you seen a head specialist?
No. God! WTF!

My point is that you are telling people what to think while accusing Karen and "tribal leaders" :eyeroll: of telling people what to think.

Do you think that, if it's bad for Karen, et al. to do it, it might be hypocritical for you to do it?
 

Glenda

Crusader
I live with my regrets, my way. I live with what happened and what I saw, my way. I dance with my two left feet, best I can.

If there is anyone on ESMB that is not living their lives the best they can, please put ya hand up. Or not. To go through what so many of us went through & then to judge the crap out of one another, bash each other - for what? To go round and round and round and round as if on a batshit crazy treadmill... (shakes head).

So perhaps we could hold hands and bang a tambourine in unison? Nah. Fuck that. How about a little group word-clearing to help build some love & connection? A sort of team building activity without any tambourine banging?

1. Look up "word salad".
2. Use in some sentences.
3. Demo with some bits and bobs on your coffee table.
4. Clay demo "word salad". If you don't have any clay in your home, sort it and go buy some. Really? No clay? (shakes head, rushes to find pearls for a bit of pearl-clutching action.)

Note to self: buy a tambourine if for no other reason than to piss off the neighbours whose dogs bark a LOT. Option #2: Loan a friends saxophone and learn to play it with all doors and windows wide open. All summer.
 

Alanzo

Bardo Tulpa
No. God! WTF!

My point is that you are telling people what to think while accusing Karen and "tribal leaders" :eyeroll: of telling people what to think.

Do you think that, if it's bad for Karen, et al. to do it, it might be hypocritical for you to do it?
This is a new angle on this.

You're now inspecting the head wounds you've given yourself. :eyeroll:

That's progress Bill!
 

Free to shine

Shiny & Free
I wholeheartedly agree!!!

Hi FTS. Long time no chat
@scooter Yes, you can see what I see my friend. Haha.

Going well in Freetoshineland! Peace, creativity and a lack of drama has a wonderful result and I do relate to the monarch's struggle.

Once you can fly free of the petty and abusive past, put the lessons to use and go on from there, life is so different. I really wish that for all exes. I guess arguing with Alanzo's nastiness can remind us of what we left, if nothing else. I see no point in it, been there, done that, have the T shirt. And I don't seem to need the T shirt anymore. Talk soon. <3
 
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Alanzo

Bardo Tulpa
I live with my regrets, my way. I live with what happened and what I saw, my way. I dance with my two left feet, best I can.

If there is anyone on ESMB that is not living their lives the best they can, please put ya hand up. Or not. To go through what so many of us went through & then to judge the crap out of one another, bash each other - for what? To go round and round and round and round as if on a batshit crazy treadmill... (shakes head).

So perhaps we could hold hands and bang a tambourine in unison? Nah. Fuck that. How about a little group word-clearing to help build some love & connection? A sort of team building activity without any tambourine banging?

1. Look up "word salad".
2. Use in some sentences.
3. Demo with some bits and bobs on your coffee table.
4. Clay demo "word salad". If you don't have any clay in your home, sort it and go buy some. Really? No clay? (shakes head, rushes to find pearls for a bit of pearl-clutching action.)

Note to self: buy a tambourine if for no other reason than to piss off the neighbours whose dogs bark a LOT. Option #2: Loan a friends saxophone and learn to play it with all doors and windows wide open. All summer.
You are a really good writer, Glenda.

A much better one than I am.
 

I told you I was trouble

Suspended animation
I've got an idea.

:eek:

@Alanzo ... just show us please, actually show us (I don't mean demand, screech or try to guilt trip us) ... just show us how to do what it is that you want done. Not here on ESMB or on your blog (that's just typing a few pointless words on a screen, we already know how to do that ... we've been pointlessly doing it for years, we're professionals in that dept).

Please (genuinely) show us how to expose the cults allegedly criminal acts by doing it once and doing it successfully. Perhaps you could choose a fairly minor allegedly criminal act first just as a demonstration project (nobody likes a show off).

When you have done that and produced the desired results, please drop back and tell us exactly how you did it (by PM for obvious reasons) and we can then all do something similar in our own parts of the world.

As you have pointed out about 1000 times, we are sheeplike here nowadays and will definitely follow a true leader once one actually appears ... you are clearly starting to look like that person, now you just need to stop with the wordy pointless posts and show us something worth looking at, once.

You will then have us all in the palm of your sweaty hand and we can take out the cult and then pat you on the back (I refuse to salute anyone, not even you) for the rest of our miserable sheepy ninny lives.


What do you say?
 

Alanzo

Bardo Tulpa
I've got an idea.

:eek:

@Alanzo ... just show us please, actually show us (I don't mean demand, screech or try to guilt trip us) ... just show us how to do what it is that you want done. Not here on ESMB or on your blog (that's just typing a few pointless words on a screen, we already know how to do that ... we've been pointlessly doing it for years, we're professionals in that dept).

Please (genuinely) show us how to expose the cults allegedly criminal acts by doing it once and doing it successfully. Perhaps you could choose a fairly minor allegedly criminal act first just as a demonstration project (nobody likes a show off).

When you have done that and produced the desired results, please drop back and tell us exactly how you did it (by PM for obvious reasons) and we can then all do something similar in our own parts of the world.

As you have pointed out about 1000 times, we are sheeplike here nowadays and will definitely follow a true leader once one actually appears ... you are clearly starting to look like that person, now you just need to stop with the wordy pointless posts and show us something worth looking at, once.

You will then have us all in the palm of your sweaty hand and we can take out the cult and then pat you on the back (I refuse to salute anyone, not even you) for the rest of our miserable sheepy ninny lives.

What do you say?
I think you are ESMB User Error

very.
 
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Glenda

Crusader
I've got an idea.

:eek:

@Alanzo ... just show us please, actually show us (I don't mean demand, screech or try to guilt trip us) ... just show us how to do what it is that you want done. Not here on ESMB or on your blog (that's just typing a few pointless words on a screen, we already know how to do that ... we've been pointlessly doing it for years, we're professionals in that dept).

Please (genuinely) show us how to expose the cults allegedly criminal acts by doing it once and doing it successfully. Perhaps you could choose a fairly minor allegedly criminal act first just as a demonstration project (nobody likes a show off).

When you have done that and produced the desired results, please drop back and tell us exactly how you did it (by PM for obvious reasons) and we can then all do something similar in our own parts of the world.

As you have pointed out about 1000 times, we are sheeplike here nowadays and will definitely follow a true leader once one actually appears ... you are clearly starting to look like that person, now you just need to stop with the wordy pointless posts and show us something worth looking at, once. You will then have us all in the palm of your sweaty hand and we can take out the cult and then pat you on the back (I refuse to salute anyone, not even you) for the rest of our miserable sheepy ninny lives.

What do you say?
I herewith need to momentarily break ranks from the tribal collective...

It's the ..."in the palm of your sweaty hands..." thing. Sorry but I am out. I don't "do" being in the palm of anyone's sweaty hand, metaphorically speaking - or otherwise. This is on my "Boundaries: The list" thing I have hanging on my bathroom mirror. :eek:

Boundaries: The List
1. [Censored]
2. [Censored]
3. Never allow a sweaty palm in close proximity, metaphorically speaking - or otherwise.
4. [Censored)...


What is written by me is true for me - shit I've stuffed that one up. If it isn't written it isn't true and what is true for me is true for me. Don't waste this brief breath in eternity. Speed of particle flow determines power. The point is it is written and hanging on my bathroom mirror.

Other than opting out of the sweaty palms thing I agree to all the other terms. I think. I will double-check my Boundaries: The List and report back in. :cool:
 

Alanzo

Bardo Tulpa
I herewith need to momentarily break ranks from the tribal collective...

It's the ..."in the palm of your sweaty hands..." thing. Sorry but I am out. I don't "do" being in the palm of anyone's sweaty hand, metaphorically speaking - or otherwise. This is on my "Boundaries: The list" thing I have hanging on my bathroom mirror. :eek:

Boundaries: The List
1. [Censored]
2. [Censored]
3. Never allow a sweaty palm in close proximity, metaphorically speaking - or otherwise.
4. [Censored)...


What is written by me is true for me - shit I've stuffed that one up. If it isn't written it isn't true and what is true for me is true for me. Don't waste this brief breath in eternity. Speed of particle flow determines power. The point is it is written and hanging on my bathroom mirror.

Other than opting out of the sweaty palms thing I agree to all the other terms. I think. I will double-check my Boundaries: The List and report back in. :cool:
Wow.

That was awesome.
 

I told you I was trouble

Suspended animation
I herewith need to momentarily break ranks from the tribal collective...

It's the ..."in the palm of your sweaty hands..." thing. Sorry but I am out. I don't "do" being in the palm of anyone's sweaty hand, metaphorically speaking - or otherwise. This is on my "Boundaries: The list" thing I have hanging on my bathroom mirror. :eek:

Boundaries: The List
1. [Censored]
2. [Censored]
3. Never allow a sweaty palm in close proximity, metaphorically speaking - or otherwise.
4. [Censored)...


What is written by me is true for me - shit I've stuffed that one up. If it isn't written it isn't true and what is true for me is true for me. Don't waste this brief breath in eternity. Speed of particle flow determines power. The point is it is written and hanging on my bathroom mirror.

Other than opting out of the sweaty palms thing I agree to all the other terms. I think. I will double-check my Boundaries: The List and report back in. :cool:

Ah yes ... I see the problem here, but never fear ... I have hand wipes, lots of hand wipes (truckloads of hand wipes) and many of them are antibacterial too.

We will be needing them all by the sound of things.

It could be a long few years ... deep sigh, but it will be worth giving up our lives (and getting all anxious and upset again) just to prove to big Al that we are the best sheepies in the whole world.

Think about it ... nothing is more important really.

Is it?
 
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