One of Marty's recent posts....

Vittorio

Patron Meritorious
I wrote an email to Marty a couple of days ago and then this appears on his blog. Rather than respond to anything in the email and engage in communication, he has once again taken to his blog. How Marty can call anyone a dupe is beyond me, he worked for Miscavige for 20+ years and physically assualted people so he wouldn't lose his Scientology! Oh my! And now I'm working for Miscavige. Unlike Marty, I work for NOBODY. I never willingly became a slave in order to 'go free' and ran an organisation where others were expected to do the same. That comm lag Marty had with Martin Bashir is very telling.

And don't forget that some of those approved comments have been snipped.

False Report Correction
Posted on October 17, 2011 by martyrathbun09| 258 Comments
Some witting or unwitting agents of David Miscavige within the Freezone have been running a vicious black PR campaign against me of late. I use the alternative “unwitting” as they could simply be what L Ron Hubbard referred to as “dupes.” In the early eighties Hubbard wrote of unintelligent types who are false data prone. That means people who are so confused in life and about society that they are prone to accept any lie they encounter. The more energetic within the dupe category make a pastime of spreading such accepted lies as far and wide as they can – for a variety of reasons. They can be motivated by jealousy, vengeance, or just plain parasitism, attempting to raise one’s status by attacking someone who they consider more important than themselves.

The particular propaganda line that is getting some traction apparently in particularly out-ethics sectors of the Freezone is that I allegedly censor free speech. The story goes that moderators on this blog are wholesale preventing comments from appearing that might stir dissent.

Let me set the record straight. Here are actual statistics tracked and logged electronically by Word Press, the company that hosts my blog.

Total Comments: 117,808

Approved Comments: 116,166

That means that 98.6% of comments made have been approved and published. That means 1.4% of comments have been trashed.

Considering that L Ron Hubbard estimated in the mid-sixties that 2 1/2% of any given population were anti-social personalities, and modern mental health professionals estimate that percentage is up to about 4% in 2011 (sociopaths), I think one could conclude we’ve shown quite a level of tolerance here.

For those unaware of our moderation policy, please see the following post:

http://markrathbun.wordpress.com/2010/11/07/blog-moderation-policy/

For those of you have read it and don’t want to read the entire post again, I’ll post here its two concluding paragraphs:

I treat this blog like my home. I entertain a wide variety thoughts and viewpoints. However, when an originator demonstrates it is a one way street and he isn’t really interested in learning something, but only in enturbulating or propagandizing, I show him the door.

Since OSA has had a well-financed, steadily-worked-on campaign going for more than a year to infiltrate my home and this blog with the specific objective of enturbulating me to the point where I start axing people ala Miscavige himself, I think by and large we’ve done pretty well keeping the ship pointed in the direction of moving on up a little higher.
 

Vittorio

Patron Meritorious
I've included my email here. There are several typo's. I've blocked out one personal piece of information about myself, a personal piece of information about another and my name at the end. I've removed the names of the FZ group I used to go to as well.

Dear Marty,

I'm writing to you as a former Scientologist {personal information edited out}. I am
writing as I have been watching and reading the
activities of the Freezone for many years on the web including your own
blog. I have also participated in the Freezone, having received
auditing and studied here in the UK and in mainland Europe. My services
were from the {name of group removed}. The prices were reasonable, the services well delivered and the {name removed} were open and honest. They promote the idea of the 'golden middle' and don't advocate Scientology as the only
route, apply no pressure to people and have a generally good education
in other subjects, being well travelled individuals. When I expressed
that I might want to spend some time studying something else, they did
not berate me or sit me down to tell me I have "O/W's", they instead
sat down and told me about their own positive experiences with said
subject. Ethics was light and only used when needed. Most of their
students/auditors have never been in the Church and are a pleasure to
be around. There isn't hours of complaining about Miscavige.

This is where I am disheartened with your current movement and I want
to address you personally rather than go behind your back. You censor
your forum to prevent any dissenting voice from coming through, and the
few comments you do let through, you have the privilege of vetting and
deciding how to respond beforehand. I find what I read on your blog to
be remarkeably sadistic and akin to the bully boy tactics I witnessed
as a Church staff member. I would go as far as to say that you are
cluless about Div 6 activities and how to use TR's. An example would be
a young man who posted on your blog, who was not pro-Scientology and
who grew up as a child in the Sea Org. Rather than acknowledge or show
any understanding for the horrors that this young man probably went
through, you and your followers come down hard on him instead. One
response to him went something along the lines of 'refute something in
Dianetics as not being true'. He stated that his father or step father
was a clear who got colds and Dianetics stated that this doesn't
happen. Your response 'You obviously haven't listened to the Clearing
Congress'. He probably hasn't, but he is asking about Dianetics, not
the Clearing Congress! Right until the end of your conversation with
him he is REACHING! Even when he posts another question that is
contrary to what is your own viewpoint, he is STILL REACHING! and you
tell him 'not to bother'.

Now, you protest your own victimhood before the worlds media, yet you
cannot have a moment to acknowledge that a young person is broken by
their experience of growing up in the Sea Org. The difference between
you and that person is that you would have done anything for LRH tech
including physically assaulting people, lying to the media, harrassing
anyone who practises Scientology independent of the Church and
attacking all those who worked with Hubbard personally and witnessed
the development of Scientology first hand. Whilst you were breaking
into filing cabinets with Miscavige, THOUSANDS were walking out or
being declared from the Church. Many spotted the suppression back then
in the early 80's. You were part of the suppression. There are many
thousands who left who did not abuse people, who did not trick, harrass
and sue people and who only had the intention of helping mankind. Many
were loyal to the tech even though they witnessed Hubbards character
flaws first hand and knew his history was contrary to what he stated.

So, when someone comes to your blog and wants some answers and they are
not screaming and shouting, it is not a hard thing so say 'sorry' for
their experiences and that they are always welcome to a face to face
chat if it helps, that the door is always to them if they want the tech
again and that you are willing to honestly answer their questions. Your
comm lag to Martin Bashir was very telling. He was disgusted at the way
you tried to justify your beatings of other staff members and he is
right you cannot just lay it at the hands of Miscavige. The truth is
never entheta even if it's something we do not like. Hubbards ethics
and PR tech fails miserably when used to crush truth. You've seen that
over the past 20 years, if not in Hubbard's own lifetime. If you don't
confront and handle the anger you cause now, it will, like a damn reach
a breaking point at some point and cascade onto you. Society does not
like being ignored when complaining about injustics, just look at hoe
WOGS are putting ethics in on the Church and how it took critics of
Scientology to put ethics in on the Pierre Ethier and his extreme
arrogance.

Hubbard's research line included using clairvoyancy to attain
information off the akashic record, something that he was experienced
of doing during his time in the occult. Dincalci pretty much confirmed
this when describing how Hubbard looked when he was writing his
bulletins. Hubbard claimed to Jack Parsons that he was inspired by the
'Empress', his guide. No doubt, Hubbard had a telepathic connection to
some guiding force very early on in his life. The Holy Grail was a
message delivered to earth thousands of years ago. It showed mankind
the nature of the trap and how to get out of it. The early minoans knew
this as it was demonstrated in the way they buried their dead (although
they may have got GE and spirit confused). That message was stolen and
has been used ever since to control all fields of Science, Politics,
religion and media. The Holy Grail has two parts, the elixir and the
cup. The emphasis placed on which part will dictate how a group
behaves. The patriarchal or matriarchal aspect. Lots of Greek words
turn up in Scientology and curiously the level of OT3 contains lots of
occult archetypes. The OT levels may give man an opportunity to access
or undo some of the trap laid here on earth. Much of Hubbards occult
research ended up in Scientology. Whatever the case, you are not in a
position to tell people they are 'suppressive' or '1.1' or that they
should discredit Hubbard by not acknowledging his full character, which
was clearly a battle between helping people and his desire for material
things. As a carrier of the message, the Holy Grail for some time, I
felt compelled to write to you. Many people who are critical of
Scientology are not bad people. Many are good individuals who just
wanted to help and have been severely harmed in the process. You can
win people over with kindness, live and let live and by saying sorry.
Very few of them criticise David Mayo and Mayo was a Freezoner also.
Most of the critics of Scientology who were once 'in' remember him
fondly as being a person who was kind and honest. They cannot say that
from their dealings with yourself. The Church was not only bad to you
or those that agree with you.

Spiritual freedom is not guaranteed by Scientology, although it can
help it to be achieved as long as a person stands up to truth. The trap
is rigged. The GE's here on earth are waiting for a moment in the cycle
when all aspects of it fall into a certain level of alignment and a
hole is made which they can escape through, possibly at a time of
catastrophe (for a short amount of time at least, they will come back,
they always do, their game here has been to lengthy for them to let go
of). I would rather tell the truth and loose auditing as a result of
telling the truth than stick with lies and be part of a group. Your
very good at using tech on anyone that questions you, but you don't
seem to apply it to yourself. Remember this; 'only a degraded being
works for an SP'. You worked for one for over 20yrs. Thousands walked
from the suppression in Scientology the moment it fell on their heads
in the early 80's. You helped suppress people for 20yrs. Don't be
suprised if your criticised harshly publicly. If your group grows with
ex-Scientologists it has every possibility of reinstating
disconnection, fair game and heavy ethics. it's already starting to
happen to your blog. I have heard along the line that you have
disconnected {name removed}. Your applying to the FBI for help now. What
aboout all those people who fought against Miscavige in the 80's and
whom you helped to suppress? Who was around to help them before the
days of the internet? Caving in another soul comes with great
consequences. 'Doing it for Ron' does not make it OK. You have a window
of time in which you can help salvage people's faith in the tech by
making ammends with many and accepting that not everyone wants to
follow your road. I feel that you are still treating people badly and
ignoring the grave risk of leaving ARC breaks and connecting yourself
to souls trapped here on earth. Peoplewant reform, otherwise they
wouldn't be protesting.

This is a private email btw.

Regards,

{name edited out}
London, UK
 

dianaclass8

Silver Meritorious Patron
Vittorio:

I do not know if anyone else has confronted Marty with the facts as you have done so beautifully here. There is absolutely NO way that he can refute what you are telling him. So true!:thumbsup:

Calling him names or making fun of him is not the way to express what is happening. No.

Marty is re-writing history according to what it is convenient for him. It is his "true"; but not the truth.

And the truth is that him and DM broke into private files, he was DM's henchman for more than 20 years.

He alleges that MSH 'stepped down voluntarily', how can he think that we are dumb enough to believe that she would give David Miscavige just like that all of her husband's work of his whole life?

Easy.

Because there are some out there that believe whatever he says.
 

Jachs

Gold Meritorious Patron
I saw the post from Marty, i also saw a similar post of another independent blogger.

Expressing "ARC breaks" about Miscavige or OSA in the open ,accepted.

Expressing "ARC breaks" about Ron or Marty in the open, blocked.

I wish he would practice more of a win win philosophy.(i wish L Ron had of first)

At least a response (not an Ack) back to say here's my thoughts, i disagree because of this and this.

Be interesting to see if you get a response.
 

Vittorio

Patron Meritorious
Vittorio:

I do not know if anyone else has confronted Marty with the facts as you have done so beautifully here. There is absolutely NO way that he can refute what you are telling him. So true!:thumbsup:

Calling him names or making fun of him is not the way to express what is happening. No.

Marty is re-writing history according to what it is convenient for him. It is his "true"; but not the truth.

And the truth is that him and DM broke into private files, he was DM's henchman for more than 20 years.

He alleges that MSH 'stepped down voluntarily', how can he think that we are dumb enough to believe that she would give David Miscavige just like that all of her husband's work of his whole life?

Easy.

Because there are some out there that believe whatever he says.

Diana, you are right. Making fun of people doesn't help at all. I remember Bob Minton's protests and he seemed to have real affinity for those guys sent out to demean him. But also, there are only so many times you can tell a person. Evidently, he does not want to hear my viewpoint or take up any of my points of view in a private email, he instead made a post on his blog.

Tell them once and move on.
 

Vittorio

Patron Meritorious
I saw the post from Marty, i also saw a similar post of another independent blogger.

Expressing "ARC breaks" about Miscavige or OSA in the open ,accepted.

Expressing "ARC breaks" about Ron or Marty in the open, blocked.

I wish he would practice more of a win win philosophy.(i wish L Ron had of first)

At least a response (not an Ack) back to say here's my thoughts, i disagree because of this and this.

Be interesting to see if you get a response.

Jachs, the only response I think I will get is his very open post on hig blog designed to make an example of people such as myself before his followers who don't have the full information. Reading Tory Christman's response is very disheartening considering she has no idea who or what Marty is referring to, she only has his word. My email and possibly Diana's blog post as well as a few other criticisms here and there is what he takes great offence to.

I love Synthia's post elsewhere where she state's she 'wants the truth, no matter what it is'. I am committed to Tikkun Olam, no matter how I achieve it and what tools I use to achieve it and recognise that time is better spent on decent people who don't seem to behave like their ear is still in their jaw. There are much better games to be had than trying to engage with people who won't listen.
 

Captain Koolaid

Patron Meritorious
What can you expect from Rathbun when you consider his blog policy?

I treat this blog like my home. I entertain a wide variety thoughts and viewpoints. However, when an originator demonstrates it is a one way street and he isn’t really interested in learning something, but only in enturbulating or propagandizing, I show him the door.

Please note that poeple coming to his blog are not supposed to consider different opinions, they're supposed to learn something. The arrogance of this dimwit is simply outrageous. Just like Hubbard he cannot tolerate any criticism whatsoever, so any appeals to question his actions are simply a waste of time.
 

Free to shine

Shiny & Free
Crikey Vittorio, that's some email! Good on you for stating your opinions.

One thing I did notice in the comments was the theme "well Marty did block one of my posts but..."

I think you put forth your views very well.
 

Vittorio

Patron Meritorious
What can you expect from Rathbun when you consider his blog policy?



Please note that poeple coming to his blog are not supposed to consider different opinions, they're supposed to learn something. The arrogance of this dimwit is simply outrageous. Just like Hubbard he cannot tolerate any criticism whatsoever, so any appeals to question his actions are simply a waste of time.

Well said Captain_Koolaid,

I think I would have appreciated a personal response to my email and he could have taken up each point and given me originations from himself. I wouldn't have minded if he cited the tech for his reasoning, what I am finding it hard to grasp is that the tech is his reasoning. The email was confidential, but the only way I could show what was so irritating to him was to reproduce it here. My rebuttal hasn't been posted yet on Marty's blog and I'm not sure if it will. Truth is one of the toughest teachers we were ever blessed with. Any chance of 2 way comm it seems, is out of the question.
 

Jachs

Gold Meritorious Patron
Vittorio said:
Jachs, the only response I think I will get is his very open post on hig blog designed to make an example of people such as myself before his followers who don't have the full information. Reading Tory Christman's response is very disheartening considering she has no idea who or what Marty is referring to, she only has his word. My email and possibly Diana's blog post as well as a few other criticisms here and there is what he takes great offence to.

I love Synthia's post elsewhere where she state's she 'wants the truth, no matter what it is'. I am committed to Tikkun Olam, no matter how I achieve it and what tools I use to achieve it and recognise that time is better spent on decent people who don't seem to behave like their ear is still in their jaw. There are much better games to be had than trying to engage with people who won't listen.

I hear ya,

alot of us want to hear the truth, most i think want to know how deep it goes.

It looks like Marty is caught in a sandwich, hes admitted there is dissent from the freezone about his form of moderation, he has cut ties with well known independents who he considers 'non standard' and he is attempting to squash dissent again by alleging the posts blocked are from anti-social or socio-pathic personalities without evidence, but Marty is hoping his posters don't ask for evidence, its all on trust and that Marty knows best for them.

Marty has already proven he can bare face lie or 'plausible truth' when in Power as has Rinder.


Hes walking a fine line, the same as the church pr does keeping the lies hidden.

Marty attempts to suppress Hubbards lies, which tells me he didnt believe it when Hubbard said nothing can stop the truth, and I believe that nothing stops the truth even if hubbard re-thought he could, it comes out eventually, Bill Franks about blow phenomena, David Mayo about Rons obsession with money & NOTs, Nibs & the black magic, Otto about rons Rock Slams, Rinder and black ops, Purcell and Dianetics, Jesse Prince about Hubbard in control looting the missions, Rons life, cobs money spending & itll keep coming, despite sec checks, its inevitable.


I hadn't heard of Tikkun Olam- i just looked it up..
 
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Vittorio

Patron Meritorious
[video=youtube;5AtGpTqD0wY]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5AtGpTqD0wY[/video]

At 4.24. This is what I am referring to with Marty and Martin Bashir.
 

Lurker5

Gold Meritorious Patron
Who knows, Vittorio, maybe your email made a dent in his unconscious, somewhere, and now it will bug him for awhile, disturb his peace, until he looks at it all again . . . .

That was a great email. Thanks for sharing that. :thumbsup:
 

Sindy

Crusader
Marty is hanging from the thinnest thread imaginable. The only thing that's keeping him vaguely functional, is his desperate belief in the invented personality, LRH. Without that, he is just some jerk who was stupid enough to spend years being the runaround guy for an evil cult leader.While he has 'LRH' clutched to his breast, he's a man with a mission. Without LRH, he's a shiftless loser with nothing to show for most of his life - no employment history, no education in anything of value, no employer references - nothing. Underneath the bluster, he's hanging on for dear life to his sad faith in a dead conman; because in reality, he has no other obvious options. I hope he wakes up and decides to make the effort of building a life that's based on something real, but I'm not holding my breath, because he's taken on the role of being his own jailer. Stockholm Syndrome by proxy. Who would have thought of it?

You need to get real, Marty.


^^^^^ I think Marty is actually in very poor shape. If he was in really good shape, he wouldn't act the way he does.

I would think that everyone who wasted years in the cult has some of the above to deal with to a greater or lesser degree. They have to admit to giving a cult years of their lives.

It appears to me that how one fares after leaving the C of S, has everything to do with how much they are willing to seek out and accept the whole truth and nothing but the truth or whether they wish to stay in the deluded fog.

I was giving Marty some slack. The slack has been considerably tightened because of his response to me on his last blog.

There is a toll for Marty for choosing to go after Miscavige and for keeping his blog going with all the attendant baggage, including having to (in his mind) be the tough guy for his crowd.

Marty keeps his mind busy with all this stuff. He doesn't have the time or the luxury to seek out the truth and self reflect. There's too much at stake. He is "decompressing" right out in public view with nowhere to just slip away to, for awhile, to get some perspective. This is his choice.
 
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afaceinthecrowd

Gold Meritorious Patron
Vittorrio,

Obviously your well thought out and well written email to Marty, The Teacher pushed a few buttons that knocked him off “The Great Middle Path” and he responded with his middle finger.

Marty is far too vested in El Ron and the “Tech” to ever loosen up, lighten up and look around. He is far too enamored with the Identity he has found and embraced to ever let it go.

Marty, The Misunderstood just wants to help all of the Flocked to see, as he does, through the Punks, DB’s and OSA Dupes so that they realize that hey are the Chosen Truly Sane. That approach works pretty good on some of the Indy’s as they are used to being the CTS as they are, after all, Scns.

He’ll probably trot out good ole Sarge soon for a few more tender moment stories of El Ron. The flocked CTS just luvs El Ron stories. :yes:

Hey, since Marty, The Open One says he lets nearly 100% of submissions to his Bog…er, I meant Blog…through, maybe I should send him over a few of my El Ron in action stories from Shooting Stars, just to be helpful and Flow Power to the Indy's. :biggrin:

Face :)
 

Jachs

Gold Meritorious Patron
Hey Face ,

you have made great contributions to dis-myth-ing ELRon, as has Challenge, David Mayo, Gerry Armstrong, Nibs, Jesse Prince, Veda, The Aberree, and many others ,one day there will be a movie of ELRons megalomania moments, keep digging em up for the script writer of 2moro.
 

WildKat

Gold Meritorious Patron
Originally Posted by Smilla
Marty is hanging from the thinnest thread imaginable. The only thing that's keeping him vaguely functional, is his desperate belief in the invented personality, LRH. Without that, he is just some jerk who was stupid enough to spend years being the runaround guy for an evil cult leader.While he has 'LRH' clutched to his breast, he's a man with a mission. Without LRH, he's a shiftless loser with nothing to show for most of his life - no employment history, no education in anything of value, no employer references - nothing. Underneath the bluster, he's hanging on for dear life to his sad faith in a dead conman; because in reality, he has no other obvious options. I hope he wakes up and decides to make the effort of building a life that's based on something real, but I'm not holding my breath, because he's taken on the role of being his own jailer. Stockholm Syndrome by proxy. Who would have thought of it?

You need to get real, Marty. (End of quote from Smilla)

This is what I would ask Marty if I ever met him face to face:

"Marty, for decades you lied to protect David Miscavige because you thought it was the greatest good. Can you admit that you're still lying to protect LRH's image because you feel you have no choice? The truth will set you free Marty."
 

Gadfly

Crusader
False Report Correction
Posted on October 17, 2011 by martyrathbun09| 258 Comments
Some witting or unwitting agents of David Miscavige within the Freezone have been running a vicious black PR campaign against me of late. I use the alternative “unwitting” as they could simply be what L Ron Hubbard referred to as “dupes.” In the early eighties Hubbard wrote of unintelligent types who are false data prone. That means people who are so confused in life and about society that they are prone to accept any lie they encounter. The more energetic within the dupe category make a pastime of spreading such accepted lies as far and wide as they can – for a variety of reasons. They can be motivated by jealousy, vengeance, or just plain parasitism, attempting to raise one’s status by attacking someone who they consider more important than themselves.

That means that 98.6% of comments made have been approved and published. That means 1.4% of comments have been trashed.

Hubbard was right about "dupes". Hubbard was right about a great many things. But, the thing he never pointed out is that YOU, the Scientology Believer, is/were the DUPE!

Scientologists are carefully indoctrinated to be very "prone to accept any lie they encounter" from the lips of Hubbard. And many a lie has spit forth from the mouth of the Great Hubturd.

The Scientology machinery operates to "spreading such accepted lies as far and wide as they can".

And, Fair Game, as created and designed by Hubbard is nothing BUT "vengeance".

It kills me how Marty constantly "refers" to Hubbard, as if Hubbard's words and ideas are "the final answer on everything", and how much of a card-carrying moronic True Believer he remains. He would be almost pitiful if he weren't so arrogantly stupid (the common trait of the mentally-challenged Scientologist).

Hubbard well described and delineated a great many weaknesses of human beings, such as a "dupe". Look at how well he described the "fixed idea" and explained how it disables future learning because one "knows it all already". When the Scientologist reads this, he or she ASSUMES that wonderful Ron is inoculating one against falling victim to such a thing as a "fixed idea". But instead, while telling you all about them, he carefully filled the Scientologist's mind with a great many fixed ideas!

See, Hubbard did often describe flaws and weaknesses of Man, and then, though, inknown to the overly-trusting Scientologist, he USED THEM AGAINST YOU!
 
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Pooks

MERCHANT OF CHAOS
Marty is an insane cultist with an IV koolaid line directly into the bloodstream.

That is all.

Marty---- LOL! What a retard.

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anonomog

Gold Meritorious Patron
Hubbard was right about "dupes". Hubbard was right about a great many things. But, the thing he never pointed out is that YOU, the Scientology Believer, is/were the DUPE!

Scientologists are carefully indoctrinated to be very "prone to accept any lie they encounter" from the lips of Hubbard. And many a lie has spit forth from the mouth of the Great Hubturd.

The Scientology machinery operates to "spreading such accepted lies as far and wide as they can".

And, Fair Game, as created and designed by Hubbard is nothing BUT "vengeance".

It kills me how Marty constantly "refers" to Hubbard, as if Hubbard's words and ideas are "the final answer on everything", and how much of a card-carrying moronic True Believer he remains. He would be almost pitiful if he weren't so arrogantly stupid (the common trait of the mentally-challenged Scientologist).

Hubbard well described and delineated a great many weaknesses of human beings, such as a "dupe". Look at how well he described the "fixed idea" and explained how it disables future learning because one "knows it all already". When the Scientologist reads this, he or she ASSUMES that wonderful Ron is inoculating one against falling victim to such a thing as a "fixed idea". But instead, while telling you all about them, he carefully filled the Scientologist's mind with a great many fixed ideas!

See, Hubbard did often describe flaws and weaknesses of Man, and then, thoiugh, inknown to the overly-trusting Scientologist, he USED THEM AGAINST YOU!

Ah but Gadfly...
Hubbard lied but the tech works, the wins don't lie, Hubbard is a great man, he may have lied a little bit, Hubbard was a genius, he may have stretched the truth, Hubbard gave his life to bring us our wins, the wins are the truth, the truth....
 
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