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Thanks Ceedia for telling your story. To think so much sordid things took place in the name of Scientology right here in ANZO. Makes me even madder that I dedicated myself to a group that would do such a thing. Well, on behalf of those that do care and did think Scientology could make a difference I'm sorry you were put through that.

And it makes such a difference for you to be so honest about what happened to you. Thank you.

Neo
 
<snip>... What was their intent? Did they just want to cave me in, force me into submission to being “a good little girl”, punish me for being a thorn in their side, or what? Were the evil pricks also out for some kind of weird, kinky, perverted sexual gratification, by pulling everything apart and insisting on such graphic detail? Why grind me down, and intimidate the fuck out of me, by requiring such an insignificant smutty account of everything to the nth degree?.. <snip>
Voyeurism for sure! - I saw a lot of that 'restimulated' in scientologists.. My own 'life history' when joining the GO.. My first 'decent' version got rejected.. I felt like telling then to go fuck themselves.. I can't get into my head that I actually did eleborate on it.

I was close to a similar incident. I girl I was very fond of got a lot of ethics handling because of 'out 2D'.. Which she wasn't, and in any case it was her private life.

I got a taste of it myself. Sea Org missionaire accused me of beating up my wife. His interest was to get her to come to Portland, at the other side of the planet, and chant 'Not a single dime for Larry Wollersheim'e!', outside the courthouse. I didn't 'deny' my wife going. She was 8 months pregnant. But I did say I was against it and considered it a singularly bad idea...

Which caused the Sea Org missionaire to conclude I beat her up!

He was an OT.. He lived on a higher 'spiritual plane' than I did..

And I'm aware of several more of this kind of 2D 'flaps' happening in my short time on staff.

The stories abound on the internet. Looks to be quite common.

Hmmm.. It IS quite mysterious why this action was taken against you Ceedia.. Quite counterproductive any way you look at it. And unclear why anyone would take BOB seriously..

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Dear Ceedia,
Thank you so much for setting the record straight, you're a brave soul and I respect you enormously.
I echo Feral's statement here, anyone who knew you also knew it was a load of codswallop. I had a particular enemy of yours (E.A.) work me over for 45 minutes on reasons why I shouldn't trust you and all I kept thinking was, "Christ, they're gonna crucify her so they can have a head-on-a-pike!"
It has always struck me as a massive cover-up for momentous SO blunders.
I apologise unreservedly to you and your family for not being more diligent in supporting and defending you in those dark days.
Love, Panda :flowers:
Thanks for data Panda. Penny dropped for hubby and I when we read this, and appreciate the info. Makes sense of lots of stuff, that occurred around that time. Didn't know (or think) that the likes of EA were part of the picture, but then, no doubt she would have been. She was everyone's best ole "long lost buddy" when ya saw her, but that's how she played the game.
I appreciate your apology, and know it was heart felt, but it is only those who knew but refuted the truth, who should be apologising :) .
Spot on, on the point re ""massive cover-up for momentous SO blunders". The blunders were horrendously momentous, and the frantic cover up WAS massive (seen it many times, to varying degrees).
Love,
Ceedia
 
Hey Folks,

Thanks for your responses and additional data/info.

I decided to post this stuff, cause after FSMing so many "in", I have felt a degree of responsibility in regard to FSMing people "out". One on one is good, but also the more readily available communication about hard cold truths, the better.

As it turns out, posting this crap has been good for me personally (which is something I didn't anticipate). I felt shakey on pushing "submit" on my first post - cause my identity would then no doubt be revealed. And then I felt quite sick and anxious about submitting the data on the 2nd interview, because of its personal nature.

After your responses I am chilling out big time - not only about data I didn't have, about your understanding and acceptance - but also about the relief/freedom of having nothing left to hide. There's nothing they can hold over me now, so I am truly free to operate without reservation.

All good! (as is the account of the next night in the AO, which I'll probably write up and post tomorrow).

Hey OSA - Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned! :no:

Cheers and love folks :thumbsup: ,
Ceedia
 
Hey Folks,

Thanks for your responses and additional data/info.

I decided to post this stuff, cause after FSMing so many "in", I have felt a degree of responsibility in regard to FSMing people "out". One on one is good, but also the more readily available communication about hard cold truths, the better.

As it turns out, posting this crap has been good for me personally (which is something I didn't anticipate). I felt shakey on pushing "submit" on my first post - cause my identity would then no doubt be revealed. And then I felt quite sick and anxious about submitting the data on the 2nd interview, because of its personal nature.

After your responses I am chilling out big time - not only about data I didn't have, about your understanding and acceptance - but also about the relief/freedom of having nothing left to hide. There's nothing they can hold over me now, so I am truly free to operate without reservation.

All good! (as is the account of the next night in the AO, which I'll probably write up and post tomorrow).

Hey OSA - Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned! :no:

Cheers and love folks :thumbsup: ,
Ceedia

"People withhold overt acts because they conceive that telling them would be another overt act. It is as though Thetans are trying to absorb and hold out of sight all the evil of the world. This is wrong-headed, by withholding overt acts these are kept afloat in the universe and are themselves as withholds entirely the cause of continued evil." - HCOB Justification

Thank you for ridding the world of more evil.
 
You're a brave soul Ceedia. Telling your story can't have been easy. I hope you can physically feel the love and acceptance you have with us.
 
(snip)

"Shooting the upstats is always the first action of the truly degraded."

Div6, why do you think this happened? If people were aware of harmonics and how they affect daily life would they have practiced this sort of charade? Are harmonics true, and if so, why is it kept secret, in your opinion?

I believe there are no degraded beings. There are only those at a lower harmonic point. And without care YOU might be there, whenever. One doesn't decide one is above the fray, one releases from it. My opinion.

As-isness can only occur with the proper assignment of source or authorship. Since the ability to perceive source is the key to solving problems, such people have enormous numbers of problems, but never seem to describe the real problem; thus they seem quite baffling. And not being able to "As-Is", they resent any one who can, or who shows greater ability than they do.......this also ties in to the "No Source - Total Source - Awareness of Sources" scale. People in "total source" show innate resentment towards others as since they cannot be "source" they must be "bad influences".

The primary source of degradation is the inability to duplicate on any dynamic. Duplication being mechanically necessary to then be able to "as-is".
 
Hey Folks,

Thanks for your responses and additional data/info.

I decided to post this stuff, cause after FSMing so many "in", I have felt a degree of responsibility in regard to FSMing people "out". One on one is good, but also the more readily available communication about hard cold truths, the better.

As it turns out, posting this crap has been good for me personally (which is something I didn't anticipate). I felt shakey on pushing "submit" on my first post - cause my identity would then no doubt be revealed. And then I felt quite sick and anxious about submitting the data on the 2nd interview, because of its personal nature.

After your responses I am chilling out big time - not only about data I didn't have, about your understanding and acceptance - but also about the relief/freedom of having nothing left to hide. There's nothing they can hold over me now, so I am truly free to operate without reservation.

All good! (as is the account of the next night in the AO, which I'll probably write up and post tomorrow).

Hey OSA - Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned! :no:

Cheers and love folks :thumbsup: ,
Ceedia

Well half the board here seems to know who you are. Being a Pom I have no clue. If you want to state your real name I nominate you for the first story on Blownforgood's new website.

I think you've just let the world know of a new type of crime, covert gang bang sec checking.

Go girl:)
 
As-isness can only occur with the proper assignment of source or authorship. Since the ability to perceive source is the key to solving problems, such people have enormous numbers of problems, but never seem to describe the real problem; thus they seem quite baffling. And not being able to "As-Is", they resent any one who can, or who shows greater ability than they do.......this also ties in to the "No Source - Total Source - Awareness of Sources" scale. People in "total source" show innate resentment towards others as since they cannot be "source" they must be "bad influences".

The primary source of degradation is the inability to duplicate on any dynamic. Duplication being mechanically necessary to then be able to "as-is".

Boy, are we looking at it differently. But each to his own.
 
Isn't as-isness, by definition, an absolute?
Isn't the only absolute a static?
A static cannot have a location in space - even by consideration.
When incidents are "erased" they merely cease to be created - this is not unmocking.
 
Girl, you are on a roll now!

Hey Folks,

Thanks for your responses and additional data/info.

I decided to post this stuff, cause after FSMing so many "in", I have felt a degree of responsibility in regard to FSMing people "out". One on one is good, but also the more readily available communication about hard cold truths, the better.

You:yes: said a mouthful there, kid!

As it turns out, posting this crap has been good for me personally (which is something I didn't anticipate). I felt shakey on pushing "submit" on my first post - cause my identity would then no doubt be revealed. And then I felt quite sick and anxious about submitting the data on the 2nd interview, because of its personal nature.

Yeah, the "right thing" is not only hard to know but also, often, hard to do.:thumbsup: Betcha ya feel even better later! :whistling:

After your responses I am chilling out big time - not only about data I didn't have, about your understanding and acceptance - but also about the relief/freedom of having nothing left to hide. There's nothing they can hold over me now, so I am truly free to operate without reservation.

Do we read this to mean that you are ready to kick some serious ass now? :confused2: :coolwink: :D

All good! (as is the account of the next night in the AO, which I'll probably write up and post tomorrow).

:buzzin: :woohoo: :blowkiss: :gimmesome: :drama: :waiting:

Hey OSA - Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned! :no: :omg: :giveup: :tiptoe:

Cheers and love folks :thumbsup: ,

And love to you right back! :yes: :kiss: :bighug: :console: :arose:
Ceedia

Get busy now an wrote moar!:whistling:
 
"Then Shane Brockdorff - an old flat mate of mine, co TTC member (we “trained” together), once Snr C/S ANZO, and Class 9 auditor, turned up to “audit” me."

Very sad tale and credit to you for staying sane.

That is what they wanted.. to drive you nuts. They probably hoped you would kill 'Bob'.

Your history there must have been reputable and so if you were leaving they needed to 'make up' a reason for your leaving.

per the tech 'you have withholds' so they wanted to make some as you know.

Really a 'lose / lose' situation for everyone.

Shane was ment to come back from Flag and boom the place..
What a dick for not holding his space..

A similar thing happened at FSO to two OT VIIs in these videos.

http://www.xenutv.com/interviews/free-barnes.htm

Because they were questioning tech revisions the NAY checks were used to force a listing questions on them in attempt to drive him crazy.

ps I enjoy your posts and I'm glad you have a lot to say, especially your colorful language increases my havingness. I have not heard a chick talk like that in a long time. :)

But I nearly cry when I read this from your other post.

"....I can't speak for the others, but I was a broken person, with a broken life - without a friend or someone that I could turn to for help, for the two years it took me to find some kind of resolve (ANZO is small, and there was no ESMB then). If it wasn't for my kids, I don't know how I would have survived that period. Since that time, I have helped many broken people with broken lives. You have no idea what I know, and what I have been subjected to."

makes me mad :angry:
 
Anger is good sometimes!

Posted by Flag 2005 re Ceedia:

ps I enjoy your posts and I'm glad you have a lot to say, especially your colorful language increases my havingness. I have not heard a chick talk like that in a long time. :)

Yeah boy! :yes:

But I nearly cry when I read this from your other post.

Me too (some tuff guy huh?) :bigcry:

"....I can't speak for the others, but I was a broken person, with a broken life - without a friend or someone that I could turn to for help, for the two years it took me to find some kind of resolve (ANZO is small, and there was no ESMB then). If it wasn't for my kids, I don't know how I would have survived that period. Since that time, I have helped many broken people with broken lives. You have no idea what I know, and what I have been subjected to."

Ceedia not so broken now IMHO...she HOT chick now! :eyeroll: :happydance: :thumbsup:

makes me mad :angry:[/QUOTE]

This (and so much else too) angers me as well, Flag! :grouch: One of these day the right target will come into view...and then - watch my smoke! :yes: :omg:

Roy, the EP's EP
 
Hey Flag - 2005,

Thanks for your post and your care.

Your history there must have been reputable and so if you were leaving they needed to 'make up' a reason for your leaving.

per the tech 'you have withholds' so they wanted to make some as you know.
Yeah spot on, they were somewhat "successful" in bringing me into disrepute, to lessen any influence that I might have.

Panda said in an earlier post that a senior SO Exec was working on him for 45 mins trying to do just that. While I was shocked to read that and while it upset me initially, penny dropped on what they were hell bent on doing. I had taken the whole thing too personally. There are always varying degrees between what "is" and what "isn't", but getting closer to the truth of their intent certainly blew something for hubby and I yesterday.

Shane was ment to come back from Flag and boom the place..
What a dick for not holding his space..
FYI, he joined the SO very young. After his first trip to Flag, when he arrived back in 83 as part of the first crew for the new AOSH ANZO, sadly he had already "changed". And, many years have passed since then. Hard to "hold your own" in the kind of environment that he has been so caught up in.

A similar thing happened at FSO to two OT VIIs in these videos.

http://www.xenutv.com/interviews/free-barnes.htm

Because they were questioning tech revisions the NAY checks were used to force a listing questions on them in attempt to drive him crazy.
Yes, great video (one of my favourite fsming "tools" these days. :giggle:)

But I nearly cry when I read this from your other post.

"....I can't speak for the others, but I was a broken person, with a broken life - without a friend or someone that I could turn to for help, for the two years it took me to find some kind of resolve (ANZO is small, and there was no ESMB then). If it wasn't for my kids, I don't know how I would have survived that period. Since that time, I have helped many broken people with broken lives. You have no idea what I know, and what I have been subjected to."
Hey, it all turned out good in the end :yes: . While the above was true, I was just cranky at ABJ's at the time when I wrote that post.

All good this end Flag -2005! Looking forward to when it's all good all round. Am pleased to be working on that now, after being "dormant" in regard to this scene for years.

Cheers,
Ceedia :thumbsup:
 
Hey I was hoping for some colorful language. :)

Im glad too that it is over for us and ending for others..

This place is a definate place for healing, and it happens fast!
 
The third day

I had gotten to bed late after the second night at the AO. In the morning, I got my hubby to handle the logistics with the kids, and I went back to sleep. I had no concern for work or cycles needing my attention. I didn’t want to confront the world, I just wanted to hide from the world and go back to sleep – I did.

I woke up, surprisingly well rested. I was keyed in, but was looking at what went down. I had breaky outside with the birds and the trees. I was looking at things somewhat analytically/rationally. “Yes, I had put myself in their hands”. “How fucked were they, to take me back there in that fashion”. “How could anyone if not powered by “evil”/“the black side”, be so cruel”. “How could anyone put another, through such a gruelling, harrowing experience?”

I didn’t mention in my post about that horrid “interview/session”, that the “auditor” was evaluating and invalidating as we went along. He said stuff like “God, that’s gross!”. “Did you think that that was OK at the time?” “Do you think it’s OK or acceptable still?” – and such variations with inflections/emphasis on certain words , in order to invalidate/introvert me. It worked at the time, but now the next day as I was looking at it, I could see how evil it actually was (and rightly or wrongly, I thought about how anal, and sexually naive that no doubt he was – joining the SO as a kid. Somehow that helped). That detached me somewhat from what went down, and something “shifted” for me in regard to that “interview” (after which I felt like a rotting piece of shit).

However, I was still very “lossy” and very sad – about what I had “lost” and about the future. This was a group of people I had worked with and for, for many years. I had all ready been through the grinder I had thought, after months of sec checks and ethics handlings o/w write ups, face rips, and worst of all being ignored and not spoken to by any and all crew/staff/field (I could see people give me a side way glimpse, but then quickly look away – they wouldn’t dare be seen talking to me). And what about Scientology – the “thing” that helped me save my life and start a new life (and the thing that I had used, to help so many others do the same). OT levels (and what they promised) were never really a button for me. Living life with the tools for life to create better circumstances for myself, my family and friends and all – was! It had become my life. That was now all down the gurgler. I knew that my life in Scn was over, I couldn’t be part of that game and keep up the fight anymore. I was introverted and lonely about how and why things were always so difficult for me, and why I never seemed to “fit” or “belong” anywhere.

That aside, I was trying to work out how to slip away, without getting declared. For various reasons (that I now consider inane), this was of major concern to me. At this point, I could not accept the prospect of putting my boys into a position down the track, where they’d have to either forfeit me or Scn (stupid in hindsight). I kept going over and over in my mind, how I could play this out, without a label.

In the afternoon, I was driving the boys to some sport thing. We were all “talking” in the car. Then my eldest said to me “Mummy, you’re talking, but you’re not listening”. It stung! It was true! I hadn’t been listening to them, and I hadn’t been there for them for months. I handled all their logistics and all, got them to school, rugby training, etc, etc, etc – but I had dropped them in regard to any kind of emotional or spiritual support. For whatever reason, I keyed in on this big time. I could barely pull the car over, and I just bawled uncontrollably (not something I would do). I couldn’t stop it. I was aware of the boys, but not of much, and had lost control.

This bit is somewhat embarrassing, but is significant:
I figure now, that my little darlin’s must have been looking out the window, with their big brown eyes, reaching for help. This “stranger” (a man much older than me), opened my driver’s side door, escorted me to the footpath, and just held me in his arms while I sobbed and sobbed. He said nothing. I settled. The man kissed me on the forehead, and walked on off, up the footpath. It was like he was an angel from heaven (without getting too spiritually significant/airy fairy or nuthin’).

I “lifted” from that point. Straight up! By night time, I was feeling strong. Had a call from org again. And this time, in my mind, it was “Yep, I’ll go in this one last time to end cycle”. I went in with a very different viewpoint, and different headspace. Somehow, they didn’t have me by the “short and curlies” now. The threat, seemed to have disappeared, and I felt like I was prepared to go into battle (I knew that I wouldn’t win the war, but I was determined to leave and end off on a point with some restored self esteem – desecrated entirely (although temporarily), the previous night.

I went into the org, with a “what now ya c’nts?”, type of attitude, but I had a calm cool front. I was ready to end cycle. Then I was told that I was going to be given a correction cycle by my original auditor (who had done some of my NOTS and done my sec check in the previous months). Back into the room. Again I saw CO OSA and those RTC missionaries go into the one next door. I was curious about that, and prepared for a trap. Next thing Shane walked in and locked the door as usual, with a nasty smirk on his face. This just made me step up! This time Shane was asking me for my crimes. “We know you have crimes, what are they?” “What are your crimes?” “What have you done?”and all sorts of variations of. But I had my trs right in this night, and was not feeling fearful, so very calmly turned it around – “No, what are your crimes? I’ve already given mine. What are yours?” “What have you done?” “What are you doing?” “What are you trying to do?”. I directed these questions to the “auditor”, and sometimes to the camera lense (with specific intent to the RTC MAA missionaire who looked like a clone of DM, except that he was tubbier – and had a sour look on his face ALL the time). My trs and confront, were way above my “auditor’s” that night. I used the opportunity to communicate to the whole four of them, and say things that I couldn’t in the last months, due to being cut off or pushed up against a wall for back flash or whatever. As much as he persisted, then so did I, and more. I was feeling more hatred than I had ever felt in my life, and I was flowing it. Shane told me that I was rock-slamming – I probably was (or maybe, don’t know - was certainly of the mind that I was confronting evil that night, and I wasn’t having loving thoughts). He must have been “beckoned” out of the room 3 times that night, and face ripped. I heard the yelling. He certainly wasn’t making me “crack” this night, and I was taking a win on that.

Then I told him, that I was done, that I had had enough, that they could declare me or whatever, but that I was going. I got up to leave. Shane was in front of the door and shoved me on the chair. I got up again, and we struggled. He was way taller and stronger than me, and I didn’t have Ax’s “incredible hulk” thing to call on – but I had lungs, and I used them. I started screaming - “let me out”, “help” at the top of my voice. I caused a racket as intended, and there was a knock at the door. It was Vicki, CO OSA. I “settled” and told her that I was going. She tried to “handle” me, but I told her that it was over, and that if she didn’t let me go, “right fucking now” that eventually my husband would be there to rescue me, and that I’d be going straight to the police when he did. I was calm and determined on the exterior, but inside, I was shaky. My heart was pounding and I felt like I was “in” way over my head. I didn’t like or respect any of these people, and certainly didn’t hold them in any kind of high esteem, and I had all but won this last battle, but still for some reason, I still felt the fear running through my veins. I pretended to be calm, then Vicki said “It’s OK, it’s all over, just go home and get some rest”, we’ll see you tomorrow. I said very obligingly “alright then, I’ll do that”.

I left the AO at that point. I got home, tidied up some admin cycles that needed handling, packed up some gear for the kids and me, organised some meals for hubby who would be home alone, and was set to take off out of the city for a few days, when the boys woke up.

Will tell you how it all ended up, in another post.
 
AAAAAAAARRRRRRRCCCCCHHH! I CAN"T TAKE IT when they cut to a commercial right in the middle of me holding my breath!!!!!!!!!!! PLEEEZE come back and finish!!!!
 
Well.....

Sorry to disappoint EP - but Ceedia not hot chick! :no: .Ceedia nearly 50 now, and bit of an ole hag! (gravity aint kind to wimmin!). Besides that, Ceedia not a "looker" in first place.:bigcry: :D
Have ta go pick on someone else huh? :coolwink: Good luck matey! :p

Ya know girl, EP pushin' 70 an in not too shabby condition either! :eyeroll: Maybe you oughta reconsider yr position on this viewpoint. :yes: Jus sayin...:whistling: Good EP able to see what really is of value. :yes:

Love ya girl and your tale is well and truly told (cept for a couple more installments I think...):coolwink:

Roy
 
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