Tag end, of the catalyst for me & parts of a story

[Jakadak]

OMG

As usual I read your posts and I was gobsmacked.... again. How they could do this to anyone is in my opinion...."evil". So glad that you were able to stand up to them. I don't know what I would have done in your position without all the training etc. that you have had. I would have been "broken" for sure !!! Well done Ceedia! Prouda Ya !!!

 

[Free to shine]

To me it shows just how far they will go to try and destroy someone of integrity who doesn't toe the line. It is positively EVIL. That someone like Shane, who obviously started with the same wonderful goals as all of us, could end up doing that...I am lost for words. I saw the change in EA when she joined the SO, and her wonderful humanitarian instincts were turned into tools of destruction.

Thankyou so much for telling it like it is, and for your courage.

 

[EP - Ethics Particle]

Sorry... I just lose it...

To me it shows just how far they will go to try and destroy someone of integrity who doesn't toe the line. It is positively EVIL. That someone like Shane, who obviously started with the same wonderful goals as all of us, could end up doing that...I am lost for words. I saw the change in EA when she joined the SO, and her wonderful humanitarian instincts were turned into tools of destruction.

Thankyou so much for telling it like it is, and for your courage.

Dear FTS - I don't wanna take anything away from the impact of yr most excellent post. But, I gotta tell ya - when I get a look at that kitteh on the dog's head...well, I simply cannot be serious...not a bit!

Does that make me a J&D? an SP? :confused2:

WTF cares, anyway - we're havin fun, aren't we?

Roy/EP

 

[Free to shine]

Dear FTS - I don't wanna take anything away from the impact of yr most excellent post. But, I gotta tell ya - when I get a look at that kitteh on the dog's head...well, I simply cannot be serious...

Thanks for making me laugh! All these aussie stories are making me quite emotional - so I changed my avatar for today to something more appropriate.

 

[boonies]

OMG
I can't stand it. Where are you? What happened?

You did damned good...how perfect your questions were.

I really do see the pattern, as others have pointed out, of trying to degrade you with your overts. It happened to me, too, but on a much lesser scale, thank God. Someone else said they wanted to make sure they disgraced you. What they did to you is a horror story and evil to the core.

As you said, you took it more personally than it actually was, you now realize. Me too. I thought surely they'd broadcasted my overts to everyone I'd ever audited or C/Sed. But I found out later that they did not do this, because all of my PCs and public loved me and would know something was seriously wrong if they said those things about me.

Turns out they made up an acceptable story about how my mother had gotten terribly sick and I had to move back home to take care of her...good samaritan that I am. LMFAO What a fluckin crock-o-shit!

 

[Panda Termint]

Just as a comment on the RTC Missionaire in your story, I think it was Ty Webb;
it was his behaviour with the crew of AOSH ANZO that allowed me to give full creedence to the reports of physical and verbal abuse coming out of Int.
I couldn't believe it the first time I saw him abusing the AO C/S, a very sick Peter Sparshott, about a particular completion on the runway. Webb seemed to be thoroughly enjoying himself as he screamed a raved at one of the most wonderful Tech terminals Scientology has ever had. Peter was struggling bravely with illness that turned out to be cancer. I blame Ty Webb for ascerbating that illness and making Pete's life a living hell.
He was very definitely a Tinpot Despot in the DM mold and a complete arsehole. The level of fear-and-loathing amongst AO staff was palpable and the whole of ANZO breathed a huge sigh of relief when he was finally "promoted" back uplines.

 

[Free to shine]

I couldn't believe it the first time I saw him abusing the AO C/S, a very sick Peter Sparshott, about a particular completion on the runway. Webb seemed to be thoroughly enjoying himself as he screamed a raved at one of the most wonderful Tech terminals Scientology has ever had. Peter was struggling bravely with illness that turned out to be cancer. I blame Ty Webb for ascerbating that illness and making Pete's life a living hell.

Oh... Peter was a beautiful bloke, I met him first in 1967. How could some fucking turd do that to him?

 

[Feral]

Hells bloody bells!

You are a fighter girl!!!! I was breaking out in a cold sweat reading that.

How wonderful of that old guy to come and rescue you! a complete stranger!! It really choked me up.

 

[Free to shine]

Hells bloody bells!

You are a fighter girl!!!! I was breaking out in a cold sweat reading that.

How wonderful of that old guy to come and rescue you! a complete stranger!! It really choked me up.

I meant to mention that too. It's bloody amazing when it happens - I've had a few similar experiences, and it helped restore my faith in the good in the world. There are really some amazing people out here in the normal world!

 

[Carmel]

Ty Webb

Just as a comment on the RTC Missionaire in your story, I think it was Ty Webb;
it was his behaviour with the crew of AOSH ANZO that allowed me to give full creedence to the reports of physical and verbal abuse coming out of Int.
I couldn't believe it the first time I saw him abusing the AO C/S, a very sick Peter Sparshott, about a particular completion on the runway. Webb seemed to be thoroughly enjoying himself as he screamed a raved at one of the most wonderful Tech terminals Scientology has ever had. Peter was struggling bravely with illness that turned out to be cancer. I blame Ty Webb for ascerbating that illness and making Pete's life a living hell.

Yes, it was Ty Webb (well I knew his last name was "Webb" and the name "Ty" rings a bell). We were never introduced actually. The first words I got from him were "SIT DOWN"!
Peter was a real honey - a smart man and a good man, as were our other mentors of the same calibre who were so badly beaten and left hung out to dry.

He was very definitely a Tinpot Despot in the DM mold and a complete arsehole. The level of fear-and-loathing amongst AO staff was palpable and the whole of ANZO breathed a huge sigh of relief when he was finally "promoted" back uplines.

Yep, but "arsehole" too kind! So many talk about the Matt Henderson Mission. The Matt Henderson mission was nowhere as bad as this 97 one IMO. The Henderson one was "bad", cause we'd never seen anything like it, and were having a relatively easy ride til then. By 97, we'd seen and experienced much more, and the group had become more "tolerant" and "used to" to this kind of "off the wall" stuff. If that dude and his nasty, anal, robot, bitch "class 8", mission I/C (who was there with him), even attempted their heinous, insidious acts in ANZO, back in 83 - they both wouldv'e been decked I reckon. Angry just thinking about it

One time that dude was giving me a major face rip, for an honest opinion that I held. I wasn't being smart arse or back flashy or anything at this particular time. I was standing against a wall, and his face was about two inches from mine. He was screaming at me. I just slightly put my hand on his chest to back him off a bit, then he put his hand around my neck, and put me up against the wall. Then my fear turned to anger and I kneed him in the thigh, and did a block at his wrist to get his hand off my throat. He then called "HCO bring order". He said "restrain her". Then these two guys literally were on either side of me, with my arms locked in theirs (a 5'5", 38 year old female at the time). Then he had the audacity to charge me with striking an SO member. When I told my hubby later, he didn't/couldn't believe it. When I told another friend, he didn't/couldn't believe it either. They thought I must have tried to smash him first or something. Not being believed, was worse than the incident itself, but then - who would believe it.

I could see all the crew walking around in fear while that guy was there (when I wasn't hating him, I was in fear of him too). God help the many who are still trapped in a scenario like this.

Thanks for the data, but geez it makes me mad. Peter was such a good man. I didn't know he was subjected to that. Like a few of his good ole techie mates (Harry included of course), he would have died with a broken heart at what had transpired over the years, and that is just too sad and too hard to contemplate.

Ceedia

 

[Panda Termint]

Thanks for the data, but geez it makes me mad. Peter was such a good man. I didn't know he was subjected to that. Like a few of his good ole techie mates (Harry included of course), he would have died with a broken heart at what had transpired over the years, and that is just too sad and too hard to contemplate.

Ceedia

Just so you know, Pete actually wasn't too fazed by Webb's dramatisations. He saw it for what it was and was well aware of the direction that CofS was heading. He saw how upset I was for him after witnessing the incident and spoke to me in his usual pragmatic manner, "Don't ever let the bastards grind you down". I've never known anyone with less ego than Peter, he was an inspiration to me. According to Maureen, he was in good spirits in his last days and I'm sure he's happy to be free of the whole sorry lot now.

 

[Jimmymac]

Ceedia this is an amazing story. Sci works so hard blaming and fighting against so called Psycs and yet your story is a perfect example of abuse of both mental and spritual health.

I am gobsmacked that it did happen but not suprised.

I cant wait to hear the rest of your story

 

[Carmel]

Emma and Folks

Thanks for your feedback and care. And yes Emma, I can certainly feel the love and acceptance - truly warming

You are a fighter girl!!!! I was breaking out in a cold sweat reading that.

Yeah, thanks Feral. Truthfully, I had a bit of "fun" that night, while making a game of riling them up. I didn't give them anything. At times when he'd ask me for crimes, I had come backs like - "actually, me hubby aint been serving me so well these days, so last night after session I slipped over to Randwick, and found a stallion with the biggest donger, want to here about that?" "There were lots of sheep in NZ before I came over here, do you want all their names too?" The more it went on, the angrier he became, and of course, the better I felt (not so nice of me, but justified given the scenario). I certainly felt like I had the upper hand that night, but sadly, it was only one small battle.

How wonderful of that old guy to come and rescue you! a complete stranger!! It really choked me up.

Thanks for understanding on this. Three times in my life now, this sort of thing has happened to me, at most crucial points - hence me saying he was like an angel from heaven. Things for me would have undoubtedly taken a very different turn, had he not shown up at that very time, and had he not done what he did.

Love,
Ceedia

 

[Carmel]

Emma and Folks

Just so you know, Pete actually wasn't too fazed by Webb's dramatisations. He saw it for what it was and was well aware of the direction that CofS was heading. He saw how upset I was for him after witnessing the incident and spoke to me in his usual pragmatic manner, "Don't ever let the bastards grind you down". I've never known anyone with less ego than Peter, he was an inspiration to me. According to Maureen, he was in good spirits in his last days and I'm sure he's happy to be free of the whole sorry lot now.

That's good to hear Panda. He was a stable man, so that makes sense. While he's free of the sorry lot, I am sad for what he would have undoubtedly gone through in the last years of his life.

Going through various trials and tribulations with the brass, both Pete and Harry gave their undying support. Just at the right moment there'd be a whisper in the ear "Don't let the bastards grind you down". I took it on board and held it close to my heart - just as I did them. I, like many, will be forever grateful to them, and miss them so.

 

[Carmel]

The "blow"

I hadn’t slept the night before, as I got home late from the AO, and I had work that I needed to have done, if I was going to be away. I woke the boys early and we left. I went up to stay with an old friend who I had trained with, holidayed with (our kids grew up together) and worked with.

I tried to explain to him what went down, but it was hard for him to understand what went down. It would have been hard for me too, if I was in his shoes, cause we’d never heard of this kind of thing happening in orgs before. In our naivety at the time, we were thinking that they must have thought that I was really “bad”. Neither of us had the picture at the time.

So what do do? I just wanted to "walk"/"get out". But he got me to “write it up”. He set me up on his dining room table, gave me the red and green vols, and I started writing it up. I found and used about 30 references in my reports, that directly and undisputably applied. They had been directly and undisputably violated. And for the hell of it, I wrote a cram on Shane (“auditor”) via Snr C/S Int (fat lot of use that would’a been). This took a couple of days, in between bush walks, some fun on a dirt bike, and play with the boys.

Meanwhile, the org had tracked me down. They were ringing him continuously. He was caught between a rock and a hard place. They were telling him that I’d be declared if he didn’t put me in the car right now and take me to the AO. They told him that I had blown a “Sec Check”, that they’d “missed” something on me, and they needed to clean it up for my sake. They told him that if he continued to give me shelter and continued to be in agreement with me, that he too would get declared. He was in a bit of a spin on this. I had put him in an awkward predicament, and I told him that I would go. He insisted that I finish the KR’s (write ups), which I did.

They were insisting that they talk to me, but he held his space, shielded me from that, and copped the wrath for not handing over the phone. I was doing OK. I could see that he was going into spin mode. Once the KR’s were done, he drove down to the AO to deliver the copies, and see the “powers that be”. He got back, and looked like a stunned mullet! He was sad and didn’t know what way to turn.

He gave me a copy of my comm- ev charges (hot off the press). I was being comm.-ev’d for all sorts of financial irregularities and stuff, putting org at risk etc, and several high crimes. The charges that stood out in the issue, were “out 2D”, and “blowing a sec check and refusing to return, despite numerous recovery efforts by many”. Lovely! While the issue was a shocker, it was just about laughable. It certainly is laughable as I think about it today.

After much deliberation, I decided to attend that comm–ev hearing, and I turned up with a “McKenzie friend”. Tell you about that fiasco in another post.

To my dear friend who "sheltered" me - ya know I love ya for that. The above is my perspective on what you were going through at the time. But, maybe yours is different. Feel free to share it here, then it'd be good to get together and have a laugh about it all, over a beer (but no doubt, I'll have a red )

Cheers,
Ceedia

 

[SchwimmelPuckel]

<snip>..comm- ev charges (hot off the press). I was being comm.-ev’d for all sorts of financial irregularities and stuff, putting org at risk etc, and several high crimes. The charges that stood out in the issue, were “out 2D”, and “blowing a sec check and refusing to return, despite numerous recovery efforts by many”. Lovely! While the issue was a shocker, it was just about laughable. It certainly is laughable as I think about it today.. <snip>

Laughable.. Yes.. But this sort of shit was/is being taken seriously in the Sinister Cult of Scientology!

Remember that they've got "The only justice system in this sector of the universe that actually works!"

This is a great description of what that really is!

 

[Supra]

Well I'm F####ing HERE!

Wow, what a fucking story.

My apologies Ceedia for not totally believing you then. But after reading about some of the shit that is happening in the U.S.A., I do now.

I'm glad when I was ordered back then to "Bring you in" that I refused.

And NOW!! I must seem to them to be 15 tons of concrete, coz I ain't budging one bit.

I hope the fuck OSA reads this. Come after me you gutless scum, but you wont get me, because you've got nothing on me.

You can try and squash my business, try and sick the Tax departments on me, drum up some crimes for the police, whatever, but none of it will work because I'm clean.

quick story..

I remember once racing around back then making things go right as Thursday 2 O'clock approached knowing I needed to leave the Org as my wife was expecting our first baby. And I did make things go right including organising a replacement.

I R factored the temp ED Kerry E that I had to zip off due to the birth.
But get this,... she said I couldn't go. "WHAT ? ? ? well I'm going ! "
She said "if you go I will have you declared". I said "I dare you"

anyway...

I saw Ceedia do fantastic things in the Org. Got it humming, confronted the refunds and uncrossed the cash/bills, etc etc.

The seniors should have pampered her. They should have done ANYTHING to back her up. She was a zealot for operating on standard policy.
But did they back her up? NO!

Can you believe that?? THEY DIDN'T BACK HER UP. THEY CRUCIFIED.

Good on ya darl, I feel prouder now than ever before to be your friend.

And guess what scum bags Webb, VH and the lot.... Your day is coming.

Hate to tell you this but TRUTH WILL PREVAIL.

You better go and word clear, M9, whatever, the tone of "Can't hide" in the hope of trying to asis it. Coz that's where you are going to be at.

Gee... isn't it nice to take the suppress off those incidents that just should never have happened.

And isn't it great to have this web site. Love to all Supra.

PS: Maybe I should tell a few more of my friends still on lines that I'm out!

 

[MarkWI]

BTW

[...] You can try and squash my business, try and sick the Tax departments on me, drum up some crimes for the police, whatever, but none of it will work because I'm clean. [...]

I actually witnessed OSA doing all that to someone. The sad part is that at the time it was totally fine with me because he was an SP.

 

[EP - Ethics Particle]

...deletions...

Gee... isn't it nice to take the suppress off those incidents that just should never have happened.

And isn't it great to have this web site. Love to all Supra.

PS: Maybe I should tell a few more of my friends still on lines that I'm out!

I highly recommend doing this - just with a light touch; like "Just thought you ought to know that I've chosen not to pursue scn any futher - but wiill always be your friend and here for you"

Had luck with this just recently - may will tell about in future.

Roy

 

[Feral]

Well, on OSAs suggestion I did two tonight, gee it went well. OSA didn't suggest it really, but they asked if that was what I was doing. I thought," geee, what a good idea"

I found out that in the last 8 years ACT org made about 25 scios. I am sure only a fifth are still "in", Well, I know over 30 that have gotten out in the last month!

LOL