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Supra

Thanks for your post and validation :)

My apologies Ceedia for not totally believing you then. But after reading about some of the shit that is happening in the U.S.A., I do now.:)
No worries, they did a "number" on ya, as they did on others. Besides that, I didn't give you specifics at the time, cause I was feeling degraded. If I had then, as I have now, you probably would have gotten the full picture. Despite that you supported me, so all good :yes: .

She was a zealot for operating on standard policy.
Not how I would put it :nervous:, but I know what ya getting at, thanks :eyeroll: .

Gee... isn't it nice to take the suppress off those incidents that just should never have happened. And isn't it great to have this web site.
Yes, it certainly is!

Hey Supra, good to have ya on this side of the fence (after all these years). Harnessing some of that turbo charged power of yours, will certainly be an advantage. :D

Love,
Ceedia
 
Turbo charged is cool!

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Hey Supra, good to have ya on this side of the fence (after all these years). Harnessing some of that turbo charged power of yours, will certainly be an advantage. :D

Love,
Ceedia

Hey guys! how 'bout turbo charged Dodge business coupe with big hemi-head engine circa 1955! Now there some serious iron! :nervous: :yes:

I know - you kids missed the realllly good times. :bigcry: :whistling: :D

Roy/EP
 
Volcano

One of the “reasons” that I was in ethics trouble for months, prior to those last “interviews”, was because of a large dissemination cycle that I had orchestrated and run. On my comm-ev issue, there were many charges relating to this cycle, so, I’ll fill you in fairly briefly on what went down.

I had been off staff for about a year or so. My husband and I had set up and were running a Hubbard College of Admin in Sydney. I was also running a marketing business, and was a partner in a telecommunications business. We had scn’ists and non-scn’ists working for us.

I got a lead on an “opportunity” to use a potential advertising site in the centre of the city for dissemination. Stupid me took up the opportunity. The main benefactor for this project was a selectee of mine. To cut a very long story short (two years of much time and effort), we ended up with:
- an “exploding” fibreglass volcano (lights, smoke, etc)
- 30’wide x 20’ high, x 12’wide (from memory)
- With a 10’ x 10’ video screen on top (for advertising)
- on George St in Sydney (in the middle of the night life area in the CBD)
- with a 1.5 + 1.5 yr lease and option, including the right to sub-let.

We had initially been going for a 3 + 3 yr lease and option, but we changed this after our major benefactor was not able to secure funds that he thought he could, to fund the project. This was all understood and “agreed upon” by the then Marketing Exec Int Ronnie Miscavige, and the then ED ASI David Bloomberg.

There was a big outdoor opening planned, but we had a major storm that night. George St was flooding. We ended up having it inside. Nancy Cartright and an aussie singer/celeb Kate Ceberano, were there to do the opening. This night, a couple of senior ANZO Execs, and a couple of PR merchants from the field, were there taking all the kudos for the project being completed, and for the volcano being up and running. Dianetics was being advertised big time on the screen, and the volcano was drawing attention to it (we didn’t particularly like the look of the volcano btw, “not what the doctor ordered” actually, but we had no fall back on what was “delivered” :duh: ).

Months went by, our benefactor had major problems liquidating funds (those he had at hand, were "spent on" or "reg’ed for" the “usual”). We had to get creative, and organised to sell advertising minutes on the screen. That was just a big “no no” by the org, and they promised a benefactor. We tried to sell them on the concept that the sale of these advertising minutes, would not only handle the rent for the next however many years, but also leave us with plenty more funds, for further advertising. But, no go! We bought the line that they had another benefactor, and got it in writing from the then Captain of the AO.

The new benefactor was not forthcoming. I ended up with an overdraught that was getting bigger and bigger every month. We kept getting promises, and assurances etc. We were certainly strung along, for too long.

Given that I had it in writing from MEI (Ronnie Miscavige), that it was OUR project, and that whatever period of time we could maintain it would be a plus as far as management was concerned - we went ahead and organised a buyer for the lease. We wanted out, and selling the lease would have cleared the debts, and put us way in front – money that we had pledged to further dissem. Good solution all round ya would think.

We put it in writing to the ANZO Execs (or at least my hubby did in "good old aussie fashion"), to those we felt we needed to inform. The letter quite simply stated that we had a buyer for the lease, that the org had not been forthcoming with funds as promised, that no way were we going to take up the option and extend the lease – as we simply didn’t have the money to fund it. Also that, we were already in debt over it, that the “promises” for funds had been going on too long, and that we were going to exercise our right to sell the option (lease for 1.5 years). He stated that in doing this, not only will the volcano debts be cleared, but also there would be remaining funds that we were pledging to further dissem projects.

Went down like a ton of bricks. The three of us - my hubby, my long term scn comrade and I, were called into the org. All the top brass in ANZO (11 of them) were sitting in the AO conference room, around the big board room table, and they got us in there one at a time. I can’t remember how long they had each of the boys in there, but I was in there for about two hours. These execs all took turns at beating me down, beating me into submission, putting me down, accusing me of crimes I didn’t commit, invalidating the crap out of me, etc ,etc, etc. They were trying to find out what I had “done”, what my “real” intentions were, and what I was "hiding" and kept on hammering the point (eleven against one – it was gruelling). I was numb at the end of it, and literally couldn’t open my mouth. Was in such apathy, I think I was nearly dead. When the boys and I were allowed to get together, and got together after these interviews (about 3am in the morning), we could hardly look at each other and it was at least 15 mins before any of us could utter a word. We finally discussed what had gone down, and it was the same for all of us. We were all “beaten”. Hard to explain in words how it felt.

They had given us the reality factor that we were to buy four intensives of sec checking each, or that we would be declared. That’s where my “months of ethics” started, prior to those three nights of "interviews" just before I left the CofS.

I'll wrap this up now, and tell you about my comm ev in another post. It wasn't a "biggie" for me (I had already ended cycle), but given my circumstances and what went down, it is indicative of how corrupt the "justice" within the CofS is - so will get back to you.
 
Ceedia,

Thank you for telling us this and making your experiences public. I am hoping that this will inspire many more who are still in, to start questioning what they are doing and look at things for what they really are.

I am finding it difficult to find the words to express how I feel. Anger, sadness, disgust, empathy, outrage are some of the feelings that I get.

I was mostly offlines during this period, but I got involved again in a big way not long after. Although I was half a world away, at St Hill, I guess the same sort of things happened here as well. At the time, I didn’t really notice, although I should have. I suppose I didn’t really want to look, but the signs were all there if I had bothered to put it all together. The staff looking tired and miserable, stern looking missionaries and RTC reps stalking about, no appreciable ‘expansion’. On several occasions I heard various people screaming and shouting the most foul and abusive language at some unfortunate from behind some door in the castle.

The CoS likes to project a nice, warm, fuzzy, families smiling as they stroll through the countryside image. But the truth is very different. I know that most Scientologists would be shocked and disgusted to hear of what happened to you. Or at least they would if they could wake up long enough to look at the truth. The problem is, most wouldn’t want to believe it. On several occasions I have told Scns things that I have witnessed or know to be true, and you can see that they just cannot accept it.

The CoS tells people that they bring families and people together, but as we can see from your story, they will drive wedges between friends and break families apart. I am sure this is intentional. Isolated individuals are much more vulnerable and easier to coerce into doing what they want.

Well done on having the courage to get out and tell your story.

You mentioned NZ being ‘home’, are you originally from there? In any case, from my experience, Aussies and Kiwis don’t tolerable BS for very long. There seems to be a revolution going on ‘down under’ right now, I’m not expecting the CoS to last much longer there. The first ‘cleared continent’? I like the sound of that! :thumbsup:

Axiom142
 
You've done it to me again Ceedia !!!

I should rename myself from "Jakadak" to "Speechless", as the more I read the more shocked and gobsmacked I become. :omg:

To think that I used to look up to members of the SO with respect and admiration and thought they were doing the "right thing". Obviously some don't deserve that respect at all. :no:

I hadn't been in Scientology for as long as lots of people on this board but when I read what has happened to some of you while you were on staff and the in SO etc I find it "unbelievable" .... but I do believe it, that's for sure!

Ceedia keep posting, I don't mind being "speechless" Your stories are an eye opener. :omg:

Cheers,
Speechless formerly known as Jakadak :thumbsup:
 
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I hadn't been in Scientology for as long as lots of people on this board but when I read what has happened to some of you while you were on staff and the in SO etc I find it "unbelievable" .... but I do believe it, that's for sure!
Yes, the betrayals visited on these very upstat scientologists by their own "church" do sound incredible!
I'm glad to hear that you believe it, Jakadak/Speechless, it's ALL true!
There are several here who can verify many of the details of Ceedia's story.
It was around this time that I first began seeing CofS spin-doctors for what they really are, self-serving liars. :grouch:
 
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I'll wrap this up now, and tell you about my comm ev in another post. It wasn't a "biggie" for me (I had already ended cycle), but given my circumstances and what went down, it is indicative of how corrupt the "justice" within the CofS is - so will get back to you.

Is it OK for a "yank" to take a "bird" out fer drinks and dinner (or whatever ya call "goin out" down there ) to celebrate completin' this epic tale? :confused2:

Still wowed by that avatar, Ceedia - yes I am! :yes: :thumbsup:

And my original offer stands. :whistling: :D
 
Ceedia,

This is where I play a small part in your story. Rhonda Walker and Pat Malloy came to visit me. They wanted $20,000 to back up the 'massive push' on Dianetics that the volcano was going to create. They wanted to put LRH books in all the libraries. Long story short I paid them in the next couple of months as it was my goal too at that time:duh:

I was called into AOSH ANZO for an 'award' for having done this, they gave me a bibliography of Hubbards fiction. Which I appropriately oohed and aahed about. When my eye caught some boxes of books in the corner. I asked if they were the books I had donated going out to libraries.

'No they have been rejected by a library', says Rhonda. I lifted the flap and saw they were the old R&D volumes, they had just been replaced by new versions and the church had to get rid of this old stock. Getting some dupe to buy them sight unseen and donate them was better than putting them into a dumpster, which was the only other alternative.

It was not what I understood as 'putting Hubbard books in libraries'. What idiot would think an R&D was a good starting place for public? I could not believe my hard earned money had been used so badly.:bigcry:

A few years later I was again approached by Matt Rieves and the FBO for CLO. This time they wanted me to take over the lease on the site for the volcano. I was TOLD that I could sub-let the screen for advertising. I would make a lot of money!!! "Errr.....no thanks, why don't you sell it to someone in advertising??"

The whole thing looked like a poison challis to me, I wanted nothing to do with it. They sold it to Gareth Jekill. With in a short time it was pulled down.
 
OMFG!!!!!!!!!!!!

Ceedia,

This is where I play a small part in your story. Rhonda Walker and Pat Malloy came to visit me. They wanted $20,000 to back up the 'massive push' on Dianetics that the volcano was going to create. They wanted to put LRH books in all the libraries. Long story short I paid them in the next couple of months as it was my goal too at that time:duh:

I was called into AOSH ANZO for an 'award' for having done this, they gave me a bibliography of Hubbards fiction. Which I appropriately oohed and aahed about. When my eye caught some boxes of books in the corner. I asked if they were the books I had donated going out to libraries.

'No they have been rejected by a library', says Rhonda. I lifted the flap and saw they were the old R&D volumes, they had just been replaced by new versions and the church had to get rid of this old stock. Getting some dupe to buy them sight unseen and donate them was better than putting them into a dumpster, which was the only other alternative.

It was not what I understood as 'putting Hubbard books in libraries'. What idiot would think an R&D was a good starting place for public? I could not believe my hard earned money had been used so badly.:bigcry:

A few years later I was again approached by Matt Rieves and the FBO for CLO. This time they wanted me to take over the lease on the site for the volcano. I was TOLD that I could sub-let the screen for advertising. I would make a lot of money!!! "Errr.....no thanks, why don't you sell it to someone in advertising??"

The whole thing looked like a poison challis to me, I wanted nothing to do with it. They sold it to Gareth Jekill. With in a short time it was pulled down.
Geez Feral,

My blood is boiling over both parts of the story here.

For Christ's sake - why on earth would your money be spent on 'expired" R and D vols? Obviously some intervention by some senior wanting recovery on dead stock for the org or something. Not surprised with Rhonda involved - a totally ball-less woman if there ever was one, and I don't know how far south Pat may have gone. I wonder what went down there, ie who did what for what reason, and who was involved. Don't they get stats too for books into libraries? Struth! You must have felt absolutely sick about that!!! I'm sorry you copped it!

I can't believe that those bastards did such a turn around (or not) on the sub letting of the screen for advertising. They smashed our faces over the mere contemplation and audacity, to even CONSIDER aligning Dianetics with the likes of a sports store or the ANZ bank. We had it organised and were going to have one minute of Dn ad, then five other ads, then loop back to Dn ad. We were screamed at over this idea. "How could you possibly even think of advertising some wog company at the top of the Dns volcano, and have the Dns ad flanked by wog ones" (stuuupid they were, just damn stupid - great positioning it would've been, but they didn't see that :duh: ). It was a major "no go".

So how did they change their minds? Or did they in fact - was it just a con to get funds? Or were they just following some arbitrary order in the first place, in that zealous fashion, and then just flip tactics after some new senior on the telex line said to do so? Don't get it :confused2: ! Makes me fu'king angry, all over again! Bloody hell! Totally insane - that night in the AO confernce room, with all those Execs, I was scoffed at and ridiculed for the previous "suggestion" to sell advertising minutes - then later the fu'kers were trying to sell the idea to you? Can't make sense of it. And obviously need to bloody chill on it.

Hey, glad to know at least that you didn't buy into it. After Gareth bought into it, OSA was trying to forbid me to comm to him. We had some comm and I knew something was going on, but then the comm was cut, and I didn't know what went down. It's starting to make sense now, why they tried to and succeeded in cutting our connection.

Thanks for the data, although incredibly aggravating and quite bizzare!
 
Lisa Jekill was selling Scn books on Ebay at one stage. I audited that little primadonna once. Gareth was OK. Lisa was a PITA.
 
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Lisa Jekill was selling Scn books on Ebay at one stage. I audited that little primadonna once. Gareth was OK. Lisa was a PITA.[/QUOTE]

Em give EP MU - hiz eyz roll op in hiz hed an he go komotozs sune!:ohmy: PITA?:confused2:

Roy (EP not well eddictd eye gess...)
 
Panda and EP

Yes, the betrayals visited on these very upstat scientologists by their own "church" do sound incredible!
I'm glad to hear that you believe it, Jakadak/Speechless, it's ALL true!
There are several here who can verify many of the details of Ceedia's story.
It was around this time that I first began seeing CofS spin-doctors for what they really are, self-serving liars. :grouch:
Thanks for your support Panda. Your understanding, data and perspective on the scene, has certainly helped me shift much in my universe :yes: .

Is it OK for a "yank" to take a "bird" out fer drinks and dinner (or whatever ya call "goin out" down there ) to celebrate completin' this epic tale? :confused2:

Still wowed by that avatar, Ceedia - yes I am! :yes: :thumbsup:

And my original offer stands. :whistling: :D
Sure EP, but my 6'2" hubby will want ta come along, after reading this thread and noticing your advances in previous posts :grouch: . Hubby good dude - he reckoned in last few days that I've spent so much time on computer, that I'm no use around here anyway, so was wondering if ya had any money and how much he'd get for me :bigcry:. Bloody lovely :no: :D !
 
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