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Stan D'Teque

Patron with Honors
Ceedia darling I'm glad it's all been coming out right for you. I haven't heard you this happy since '79 - it was great chatting a few nights ago and watching the lies unfold for you. You're definitely a heroine for a lot of people and always will be.
 

Mrs Pattycake

Patron with Honors
Hey OSA!

It just keeps getting worse and worse....doesn't it?

It is getting so that you just can't get people to keep your dirty secrets! These guys must be 1.1!! You plow them in and they just come back and bite you, can't be trusted!.

And now there is the story of a child sexual assault being covered up by the church!! What next, a fraud case?

Well, there's a lot more dirty laundry coming out, I am sorry to say that despite the nights without sleep ahead of you, your fate is all but sealed, the momentum against you is too great.

Ron did say that the one thing SPs couldn't stand is the light of truth. I don't suppose that you ever thought he meant you!!
 

Carmel

Crusader
Ceedia darling I'm glad it's all been coming out right for you. I haven't heard you this happy since '79 - it was great chatting a few nights ago and watching the lies unfold for you. You're definitely a heroine for a lot of people and always will be.

Thank you Stan, you darling man! Glad you are with us, and on the board. Looking forward to the time when you can post your story. :)

Hey OSA!

It just keeps getting worse and worse....doesn't it?

It is getting so that you just can't get people to keep your dirty secrets! These guys must be 1.1!! You plow them in and they just come back and bite you, can't be trusted!.

And now there is the story of a child sexual assault being covered up by the church!! What next, a fraud case?

Well, there's a lot more dirty laundry coming out, I am sorry to say that despite the nights without sleep ahead of you, your fate is all but sealed, the momentum against you is too great.

Ron did say that the one thing SPs couldn't stand is the light of truth. I don't suppose that you ever thought he meant you!!

Points well made, Mrs Pattycake! And a real pleasure to see such logic presented by a woman! :coolwink:
 

Supra

Patron
I'll second that.

Yes, a pleasing read.

OSA can't be real happy about how the Overt / Motivator sequence still applies to them. A ticking time bomb. And it won't be an explosion, it will be an implosion.

Oh dear.:p
 

MarkWI

Patron Meritorious
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(Scientude)
 

Carmel

Crusader
Clever boy!


We don't know who you are in this household, but your little cartoon skit gave us a laugh. Liked the little twists, where the "auditor" took what he wanted, to make it what he wanted - that is spot on as far as I am concerned. :thumbsup:

Obviously, you were not portraying me or anything in that work of art - cause that chick looks cranky, and I haven't got a cranky bone in my body :eyeroll: , and I ain't got pink hair - phew! :unsure:

Cheers MarkWI,
Ceedia
 
You will never believe this.

Ceedia,

You have got to know this... I think it was around the time that the fight was on regarding putting advertisements on the Dianetics Volcano to help finance it. I was on staff at the time and it seemed like a sane idea especially as it gave the appearance to be in good with other businesses - fantastic PR. However the execs at the time on Foundation org were busily villifying you behind your back - we all know what tone level that is BUT, the coolest thing about this was any time they knew that you were in the org they were scared! :dieslaughing:

Honey, you are an amazing chick! I beleive the orgs did all they could to get rid of you because you opened up your mouth - don't ever change that!

Oh, and for me, I want to say thankyou for posting your story - in regards to "the powers that be" saying that you were PTS Type III and it being believable because they had succesfully keyed you in, I too was given a lable. I was "psychotic". In several L. Ron Hubbard organisations I would notice out-points and try to handle. They would be ignored. I would try again and they were ignored. The one terminal I had at the time seemed to want me to shut my mouth because I was causing "trouble". So all I had was myself as "counsel". I needed strength in numbers but I had no-one. So of course I started to get cross (maybe a little more than that, but it communicates). So then I would look like - yep! A psychotic.

Thankyou Ceedia (and ESMB), for putting your stories here to be read so that I could see that I am not a psychotic but just a loose cannon and I don't mind that one little bit! :happydance:

Love your guts,
Mary
 
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Carmel

Crusader
Welcome to the board Mary!

Ceedia,

You have got to know this... I think it was around the time that the fight was on regarding putting advertisements on the Dianetics Volcano to help finance it. I was on staff at the time and it seemed like a sane idea especially as it gave the appearance to be in good with other businesses - fantastic PR. However the execs at the time on Foundation org were busily villifying you behind your back - we all know what tone level that is BUT, the coolest thing about this was any time they knew that you were in the org they would shit themselves! :dieslaughing: Their butts would pucker! :dieslaughing:

Honey, you are an amazing chick! I beleive the orgs did all they could to get rid of you because you opened up your mouth - don't ever change that!

Oh, and for me, I want to say thankyou for posting your story - in regards to "the powers that be" saying that you were PTS Type III and it being believable because they had succesfully keyed you in, firmly up your arse, I too was given a lable. I was "psychotic". In several L. Ron Hubbard organisations I would notice out-points and try to handle. They would be ignored. I would try again and they were ignored. The one terminal I had at the time seemed to want me to shut my mouth because I was causing "trouble". So all I had was myself as "counsel" and it sucked. I needed strength in numbers but I had no-one. So of course I started to get cross (maybe a little more than that, but it communicates). So then I would look like - yep! A psychotic.

Thankyou Ceedia (and ESMB), for putting your stories here to be read so that I could see that I am not a psychotic but just a loose cannon and I don't mind that one little bit! :happydance:

Love your guts,
Mary

Hey Girl,

Thanks for the info. Glad to know that it wasn't just me who was shitting herself! :eyeroll:

Well done on seeing the light, and jumpin' the fence. Much to be gained here, amongst this group of like minded (sort of) individuals on the board. :yes:

Start a thread on the "new member introductions", and introduce yourself!

Looking forward to seeing your stories and having your contribution on the board!

Love,
Ceedia :thumbsup:
 

FlunkedForLaughing

Patron with Honors
Hi Ceedia,

Thank you for telling your story. My heart goes out for you. This is truely shocking.

It reminds me of other stories that I have read where someone is on their way out (or just asking too many questions, and having doubts about the church), then they are demanded into the Org for a special session, and it ends up being "Reverse Auditing" designed to key them in and make them crazy. I have read several stories about this happening. When I read it the first time in the Andre Tabayoyan affidavid, it was one of the many things I read that really woke me up to get me out of the cult. It really had an impact on me (that the CO$ would do that to their own people).

I am so glad your story has a happy ending. This is very good news.

I'm glad that you felt better posting your story too. I noticed that when I posted my story on ESMB (mine was nothing compared to yours), I was better able to deal with it. I encourage others who are reading this, to share your story with us. It helps us all.

thanks again.

FFL
 

Royal Prince Xenu

Trust the Psi Corps.
Ceedia, don't take this the wrong way.

All I ever knew about the bloody volcano was on the news or in the paper (all the legal planning and approval shit). I didn't care, because I was looking after myself first, and then once sorted, maybe there's some time to look after some others.

I never saw the damned thing until I went back to Uni in 2004. When I did see it, I was stunned! It looked like a junior-high group effort at molding for the first time. It was just so laughable compared to the mock-up I had in my own mind. All I could think was "They were fighting over this?"

Kudos for coming up with a distinctively different approach to advertising that could have worked well if it had been properly supported, but ultimately the execution sucked big time.

I guess that there's anything there at all is testament to your ability to overcome all that CI and other shit.
 

Carmel

Crusader
Hi Ceedia,

Thank you for telling your story. My heart goes out for you. This is truely shocking.

It reminds me of other stories that I have read where someone is on their way out (or just asking too many questions, and having doubts about the church), then they are demanded into the Org for a special session, and it ends up being "Reverse Auditing" designed to key them in and make them crazy. I have read several stories about this happening. When I read it the first time in the Andre Tabayoyan affidavid, it was one of the many things I read that really woke me up to get me out of the cult. It really had an impact on me (that the CO$ would do that to their own people).

I am so glad your story has a happy ending. This is very good news.

I'm glad that you felt better posting your story too. I noticed that when I posted my story on ESMB (mine was nothing compared to yours), I was better able to deal with it. I encourage others who are reading this, to share your story with us. It helps us all.

thanks again.

FFL
Thanks FFL. Your understanding (and that of others), is truly warming. :)

While things have hotted up around here, since I first started posting on this thread, at least now I have the state of mind and state of heart to certainly go forward from here.


Ceedia, don't take this the wrong way.

All I ever knew about the bloody volcano was on the news or in the paper (all the legal planning and approval shit). I didn't care, because I was looking after myself first, and then once sorted, maybe there's some time to look after some others.

I never saw the damned thing until I went back to Uni in 2004. When I did see it, I was stunned! It looked like a junior-high group effort at molding for the first time. It was just so laughable compared to the mock-up I had in my own mind. All I could think was "They were fighting over this?"

Kudos for coming up with a distinctively different approach to advertising that could have worked well if it had been properly supported, but ultimately the execution sucked big time.

I guess that there's anything there at all is testament to your ability to overcome all that CI and other shit.
How do you think we felt? It was a tough one - we were tied into contracts with site owner and were caught between a rock and a hard place, but despite that, when we were discussing rejection of the thing, CLO and CMO wouldn't "allow" us to entertain the idea of any further delays :eyeroll:. :grouch: I still get the willies whenever I think of that damn project! It was an endless nightmare! :melodramatic:
 

Royal Prince Xenu

Trust the Psi Corps.
How do you think we felt? It was a tough one - we were tied into contracts with site owner and were caught between a rock and a hard place, but despite that, when we were discussing rejection of the thing, CLO and CMO wouldn't "allow" us to entertain the idea of any further delays :eyeroll:. :grouch: I still get the willies whenever I think of that damn project! It was an endless nightmare! :melodramatic:

I don't know what was going on behind the scenes, but I still the person(s) who let the whole project down was/were the builder(s) of the initial molding. That display "overt product" from the start.

If you guys paid more than $1500.00 for just the "volcano" you were really ripped off.
 

Panda Termint

Cabal Of One
I don't know what was going on behind the scenes, but I still the person(s) who let the whole project down was/were the builder(s) of the initial molding. That display "overt product" from the start.

If you guys paid more than $1500.00 for just the "volcano" you were really ripped off.

RPX, We know but please don't give Ceedia any more "willies" over it! :)
You'd have to understand the inane mentality of certain SO terminals who hijacked the project when it looked like producing a HUGE win. (They took whatever glory was to be found when it looked like being a major PR/Dissem win and disappeared like startled gazelles and, of course, had been "nothing to do with it" when the shit hit the fan!)
I remember being horrified into stunned silence upon witnessing a discussion between two of these idiots about the choice of drop cloth, a temporary covering to conceal the volcano for the big opening night reveal.
I think the drop-cloth probably did duty as an opening night prop for a couple of hours.
It went something like this,
SO Idiot: "Shall we use the inexpensive dyed hessian or the 50x more expensive deluxe, desirable, crushed velvet for the big unveiling?"
SO Senior Idiot: "Oh! Definitely the most expensive thing available, we have to create a good impression!"
This, for a temporary covering so far away (in distance) from immediate inspection that nobody could tell the difference except the Contractor picking up the huge cheque/check from the luckless donors!
I won't mention the cost, it'd break someone's heart all over again! :bigcry:
These SO idiots didn't care about what it cost, after all, it wasn't their money and, despite being forced to live on a pittance themselves, they have no concept of value for money or what it takes to earn a living in the real world, they think money grows on Publics! :omg:
I believe that, had the SO terminals left the project in the hands of the originators, it would have been everything they envisaged!
Alas, Ronbot stupidity always trumps well-intentioned vision in the CofS!
 

Zac

Patron
My Mum is my best friend!

Thanks for all your support and encouragement folks! This little "exercise" of mine, has been way more beneficial than what I could have imagined. The last two or three days (especially), have been enlightening!

As I've said before, I was writing and posting this part of my story in order to give those in ANZO more reality on what does and has actually gone down within the CofS. Many knew/know me around these parts, and those who did/do would have taken my account of what went down, at face value.

As it turned out, it has had a great effect on me personally. I had no idea on how "sad" and "lossy" I still was, in regard to my experience and life within the CofS, as well as in regard to what I felt about myself. Writing, posting, getting feedback (on board as well as on personal lines), and getting data.....the truth finally.....has blown that lingering sadness and loss away! I truly have my life back now.

To a certain degree, those fuckers put me into a hole and shut me up for 10 years or so. Life for me HAS been good these last ten years, but I had no idea that I was still living a life/lie of self abnegation - until after I started posting on this thread.

Through posting this final part of my history in Scn (and through feedback), I've discovered how they so successfuly "dead agented"/"black PR'd me, to so many. I could never understand the "good roads fair weather" that I copped from so many when our paths crossed. I used to wonder "How could they believe this crap?" "Why would it make a difference?", "WTF has happened?", "Why don't I belong?", "WTF have I done?".

Well, it's apparent now (from emails and text messages I've had forwarded to me), that those in the field, didn't actually give a shit about my past, nor did they buy the black PR on the "Bob" story. They did though "buy" that I had gone "nutty" - that I be "best left well alone" for MY sake. I've heard the same "line" now, from various sources, and from the people who have been contacting me in the last couple of days, apologizing for buying it way back then.

How smart of OSA and the CofS! Of course people who I had worked with, fsmed, audited, C/Sed for, protected and helped, weren't going to just "buy" that I was a "bad egg". The "nutty"/"on the verge of type 3" line though, could and would fly (especially as I was so introverted up my arse after those bloody interviews and comm-ev). With much effort and attention on the part of OSA and CofS Execs - the "line" worked. People bought it. Bloody lovely! While I could certainly go off the wall and bloody nuts when I was cranky and faced with insideous injustices and the like - I wasn't anywhere near "nutty" or "type 3". To suggest that (let alone forward that line to the rest of the field), was a heinous crime.

I now understand it. Knowing what went down has blown away so much shit in my world! It's fully restored my self respect and my personal peace at heart (after all this time - I wasn't even aware that any of it needed restoring). I had erroneously assigned the reason/cause of my life crashing, to my own doing - when it wasn't at all! Knowing this has shifted mountains for me.

I now know what the Cof S did to me and so do others! They killed my spirit, had me cleverly packaged and submerged in a horrid dark place. Thank God and thanks to the help of many, I am no longer there! My strength and my purpose in life, is fully restored. I am content within myself and happy with my life. It feels good to have my passion and drive back, as it does being steeled in regard to my current endeavours.

Thanks and cheers folks!
Ceedia :D

I'm shocked...

I had lived with my mother all my life (As most children do) until about 3 years ago. I was only a kid when all this shit went down. I was aware of a lot compared to what some other kids may have been aware of; I wasn't told everything, but I perceived a lot.

To see it all put in writing hurts me to think my own Mother was put through that and makes me realise what was actually happening back then.

Mum, you’re so strong and I don't know how you went through all that and were still such a great mum and were there for us (My brothers and I). I don't know how you continued to be such a strong and productive person in many areas after that.

These past few weeks/months since you have got this off your chest/put it out there; you have been a different person, stronger and with more purpose than what you already had. I love you so much and you have so much to bring to this world. It’s great to see you doing what you are doing now not just for yourself, but others that you care about and everyone else around you.

I believe it is very important that we get everyone to look at what's happening to them and their environment, and see that the CoS is not doing what it is making out to be doing. You are definitely showing others that they can step out of the box and say 'That's not fucking right!'.

I was brought up a Scientologist all my life; I wouldn't have it any other way. The tools I have learnt are indispensible and I could never negate them. I wouldn't take it back for the world. I do believe though, that the current management of the CoS is not doing their job, their leader DM is a cock head and they should all be dismissed.

For those sitting on the fence, thinking you can't get rid of it for it will all be lost, or it is the only way to get these services which all can benefit from... Something that is so great, as so much of the tech in Scientology is, will never be lost. There are so many out there that know the tech, have the tech in writing (and not the stuff altered by modern RTC), and providing services with the original tech (Such as the Free zone), which is the stuff I know from what I have read and learnt from my parents.

Then again... I'm just a Kid (Well according to my mother, I'm 22, I think I'm pretty grown up :confused2: :) ). I don't have the experience that I guess most of you may have, but I can only perceive what's in front of me. I have read many posts and can see many wrong doings within the CoS not just on this board but from experience as well.

It clearly shows the CoS is not a greater good (by any means) and should not continue. If we really want to 'clear this planet' as the CoS promotes so much, I think we need to start by removing the corruption that is the current CoS and then we can look and see what we need to do from there. It’s certainly a big job and it's definitely not happening with the current CoS organisation.

I'm happy to hear what any of you might want to say or add to my viewpoint. I'm all ears.

Mum, again I love you so much and I think you are performing a great duty to your peers and friends.

Love,

Zac
 
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You are beautiful

My dear Teky,

How insightful and beautiful. She is alright, huh!

I love your strength in the technology and hope that others will see what beauty there is too.

I have been one that is still looking and doubting. I love that you have the strength of conviction. It will make others strong (even if you are just a kid - there's supposed to be a smiley face here, but I can't get the damn thing to work!).

I have given thought on many occasions as to how to sift out the good from the current CoS scene and I can't say with certainty. The solution you put forward is worthwhile.

Getting rid of the corrupters in the first place and exposing them from their crimes is certainly easily done. CCHR does it all the time. I look forward to bringing the church under the law. Intimidation and blackmail are against the law. The church's attempts to quiet people falls under harrassment. All over the nation people are taught this. I look forward as more and more people try their case. I know of two people who will be.

Once the "one's wearing black hats" are gone we can then quickly straighten out the one's who normally wear white.

Plans are in the wind to bring this day about. Maybe this is all that is needed.

Love your guts,

Mares
 

Jakadak

Patron with Honors
I'm shocked...

I had lived with my mother all my life (As most children do) until about 3 years ago. I was only a kid when all this shit went down. I was aware of a lot compared to what some other kids may have been aware of; I wasn't told everything, but I perceived a lot.

To see it all put in writing hurts me to think my own Mother was put through that and makes me realise what was actually happening back then.

Mum, you’re so strong and I don't know how you went through all that and were still such a great mum and were there for us (My brothers and I). I don't know how you continued to be such a strong and productive person in many areas after that.

These past few weeks/months since you have got this off your chest/put it out there; you have been a different person, stronger and with more purpose than what you already had. I love you so much and you have so much to bring to this world. It’s great to see you doing what you are doing now not just for yourself, but others that you care about and everyone else around you.

I believe it is very important that we get everyone to look at what's happening to them and their environment, and see that the CoS is not doing what it is making out to be doing. You are definitely showing others that they can step out of the box and say 'That's not fucking right!'.

I was brought up a Scientologist all my life; I wouldn't have it any other way. The tools I have learnt are indispensible and I could never negate them. I wouldn't take it back for the world. I do believe though, that the current management of the CoS is not doing their job, their leader DM is a cock head and they should all be dismissed.

For those sitting on the fence, thinking you can't get rid of it for it will all be lost, or it is the only way to get these services which all can benefit from... Something that is so great, as so much of the tech in Scientology is, will never be lost. There are so many out there that know the tech, have the tech in writing (and not the stuff altered by modern RTC), and providing services with the original tech (Such as the Free zone), which is the stuff I know from what I have read and learnt from my parents.

Then again... I'm just a Kid (Well according to my mother, I'm 22, I think I'm pretty grown up :confused2: :) ). I don't have the experience that I guess most of you may have, but I can only perceive what's in front of me. I have read many posts and can see many wrong doings within the CoS not just on this board but from experience as well.

It clearly shows the CoS is not a greater good (by any means) and should not continue. If we really want to 'clear this planet' as the CoS promotes so much, I think we need to start by removing the corruption that is the current CoS and then we can look and see what we need to do from there. It’s certainly a big job and it's definitely not happening with the current CoS organisation.

I'm happy to hear what any of you might want to say or add to my viewpoint. I'm all ears.

Mum, again I love you so much and I think you are performing a great duty to your peers and friends.

Love,

Zac

Well written Teckid.!! :thumbsup: I was shocked to read Ceedias story as well..actually gobsmacked. I had only heard a small section about the volcano and not in detail. The way she was treated is absolutely unacceptable !!! :angry: I could rave on about this but I'd rather not as I get outraged.
PS. You done good !!! Prouda ya !!! :yes: :coolwink: :) :D
 

EP - Ethics Particle

Gold Meritorious Patron
What is needed and wanted!

I'm shocked...


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I think we need to start by removing the corruption that is the current CoS and then we can look and see what we need to do from there. It’s certainly a big job and it's definitely not happening with the current CoS organisation.

I'm happy to hear what any of you might want to say or add to my viewpoint. I'm all ears.

Mum, again I love you so much and I think you are performing a great duty to your peers and friends.

Love,

Zac

Zac, I only have one son - can I adopt you as Back-up ? :coolwink:

This is a powerful and impinging post; and we are surely gonna win this one for the benefit of all! :yes:

Roy, the EP's EP
 

Royal Prince Xenu

Trust the Psi Corps.
RPX, We know but please don't give Ceedia any more "willies" over it! :)

I was only criticising the fibre-glass--as for the video screen, well that could have cost a real packet, as large outdoor screens were only an emerging technology at the time.

Teckid: You have a great, wonderful and fantastic mother out there. I hope you can understand the true value of the honesty she has included in her story.

lrh said we were put here "to survive". Your mum is a SURVIVOR.
 
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