Tag end, of the catalyst for me & parts of a story

[Once bitten]

You know, Carmel, even though I was there with you at the same time this was all happening, I must have been protected from it. I was auditing up until the end of 82 and then C/Sing, but I can't remember when I went on as C/S. I was Joburged, (as were we all), at length and ad nauseum, and I remenber the shit about the 'reads' HCOB and all of the kerfuffle about that. We had to M9 it. (IS that the method on the cans?) Well we word-cleared it on the cans anyway. And then it was cancelled by a new HCOB which read that the earlier one wasn't written by whoever had said had written it and we had to word-clear the new HCOB on the cans all over again! I don't remember all that shit though, but I think Bill copped it, but us auditors just had to keep auditing as that was where the $$ was being made! That's why I was forced to audit that creep who was molesting his neices in PT. Like while he was receiving auditing, that morning he had been doing that! I pretty much got comm-eved for refusing to audit him. Ethel told me to plead guilty so I did and nothing happened! (lol). Jan Schobel got put into a serious ethics condition and had to wear a grey armband. She was the one sent to get me back on post after I had my son. She cried and said that if I didn't come back with her she would be put down into enemy. Yeah. THose were tough times all right. Bill seems to remember much more than I can. Maybe I was concentrating on my pregnancy!!

Did Nick Cramey blow? I liked Nick. He worked hard and was always good for a laugh. I hope he finds his way to the board sometime. I also remember that stuff about Jan! It was all hushed up though wasn't it. Like we were never allowed to talk about it or anything. We just accepted it and got on with it. I remember not even being sure that she had blown because no one would tell me! I also loved Noel. He was a darling, darling man. I hope they're still happy.

I agree with your statements about Ethel and Harry as well. They were two of the loveliest people you could ever meet.

Shane was Director of Tech Services at the time wasn't he? Where was Trev? He had married Jan and they had Tristan. Do you know where Jan ended up?

You're also right about the fun we had in the early days before it all turned to custard. It was good fun and we made good firiends. Well, look at us, thirty odd years later!!

Love ya,

Gen

 

[everfree]

Another great read, thanks!

We had to M9 it. (IS that the method on the cans?) Well we word-cleared it on the cans anyway.

The one where you read aloud on the cans is M2, the one where you check a section of material for reads is M4.

 

[Once bitten]

Another great read, thanks!



The one where you read aloud on the cans is M2, the one where you check a section of material for reads is M4.

Oh thanks. It was M2. Yeah. It's all coming back to me now. eeek. My heart is racing at the thought of having to look up words like 'and;. Oh god....

 

[scooter]

Great read Carmel - brought back some good and some not-so-good memories.

Gen - Jan and Noel were living in western Sydney last i heard of them (this was about 8 years ago) - off-lines but still very much Scios still.

I used to see Nick around sydney every few years until the late '90s - never spoke with him as I was "in" and he was very "out" and had done OT levels in the FZ mid-80s.

They were incredibly fun times then - I guess if they hadn't been so good I would never have stayed and put up with all the subsequent shit that went down.

 

[Carmel]

From all reports, Jan and Noel are doing well and are very happy. I don't know that they are very much scio's though - but that's only my assumption. I haven't seen them in years now. They have two kids Shannon and Andrew, and they're in their early 20's (my kids have bumped into them on occasion around the traps in Sydney). So all is well on their front I think.

After Jan had Tristen, she had Tabatha (alll grown up now). Jan (Eade) re-married years ago. Last I heard, she was back on Syd Day staff. She called me last year after the 'basics' release.

Yes, McSween was DTS back then, before he was Org Esto, and then later ED at one point. He becamea father, got jack of it all and left staff with a large freeloader bill, based on a nasty tecnicality (which was only convenient and/or applicable to those who wanted to make him wrong for leaving).

 

[Once bitten]

From all reports, Jan and Noel are doing well and are very happy. I don't know that they are very much scio's though - but that's only my assumption. I haven't seen them in years now. They have two kids Shannon and Andrew, and they're in their early 20's (my kids have bumped into them on occasion around the traps in Sydney). So all is well on their front I think.

After Jan had Tristen, she had Tabatha (alll grown up now). Jan (Eade) re-married years ago. Last I heard, she was back on Syd Day staff. She called me last year after the 'basics' release.

Yes, McSween was DTS back then, before he was Org Esto, and then later ED at one point. He becamea father, got jack of it all and left staff with a large freeloader bill, based on a nasty tecnicality (which was only convenient and/or applicable to those who wanted to make him wrong for leaving).

Hmmm That would be right!

Thanks for all of that, Carmel. You are a mine of knowledge and I'm enjoying reading your story.

 

[Royal Prince Xenu]

Not to rub it in, but did you miscarriage twice? I wasn't there in '82--it was '85 or '86.

Sorry to other readers if I'm giving more of the story away, but this must have been even more emotional turmoil than I realized at the time. MY heart goes out to you all over again.

DM must have been getting his hands on the reins back in the '70s even before Hubbard 'disappeared'.

 

[Carmel]

Yes RPX - once in 84 and again in 85 (before we were finally successful in having Zac, Sam and Max, in 86, 87 and 89).

For the record, it all turned out for the best in the end. If I hadn't lost that baby in '82, it would have been an absolute shocker being in my third trimester during the mission that came in March '83. And as it happened, I had Zac with me in my office until he was 18 months old (when I then had Sam) and had just finished my contract. The timing was good - if I had kids earlier they would have had to be minded at a time that they needed their mum, and their mum needed them.

It was very hard being pregnant on staff for several reasons. I'm thankful that I got through being pregnant with Zac and Sam, without any real problems.

 

[Mrs Pattycake]

Hi darlin'

Thanks for all the info about what it was like to be on staff then - it sounds like it would be great - kind of what you'd expect if the tech was in and working.

I got in to scientology and joined staff in 85. I was Syd Fdn. By then the place was in a state of collapse - but there were "stories" of the boom times prior to 82 when there were 100s on staff - it was kind of unreal to me - we always were struggling, there was no time for fun, no time for training on your post let alone auditing.

I could not stay for long - it was too insane. I was an exec - every week we'd have a long meeting about the FP. We could not afford to pay for the phones or even toilet paper because we were under orders from up lines to get out the stupid promo pieces they kept sending us - yet the promo obviously did not work as we were not getting enough new public coming in.

(I had a degree in marketing - so it was just absurd to me that we would continually spend what little money we had on something that so obviously did not work ! )

Just thinking about those times makes me wonder why I did not leave Scientology for good - the staff were down trodden, the building was a rat infested dive - nothing much was getting produced except telexes to and fro management.

I remember the night I decided to leave - well morning really.I was leaving the Org at 2am and my senior yelled out to me that if I went home without getting my stats up he would assign me liability ( my post was field control sec and my stats were FSM commissions paid and memberships sold - there were no public in the Org at 2am !!! )

I told him to stick his condition assignment up his arse and walked out ! It felt great !

So its nice to hear that at one time it did work how it was supposed to .


.

 

[scooter]

Ah the rats in that building - too big for the cat to cope with.

I remember having to do the idiotic "nightwatch" one night and having a slug gun in the basement shooting them - yes it sounds gross but it was better than the smell of dead rat permeating the building that happened when they got into the unused air ducts and died from the poison spread around for them.

A place where one could see a new civilization was being created?:confused2:

 

[Panda Termint]

Ah the rats in that building - too big for the cat to cope with.

I remember having to do the idiotic "nightwatch" one night and having a slug gun in the basement shooting them - yes it sounds gross but it was better than the smell of dead rat permeating the building that happened when they got into the unused air ducts and died from the poison spread around for them.

A place where one could see a new civilization was being created?:confused2:

That's no way to talk about SO Missionaires, mate!

 

[scooter]

Nah -it wasn't like they were missed - it was expected that they'd blow.

Burying the bodies was always a hassle tho'

 

[Once bitten]

Nah -it wasn't like they were missed - it was expected that they'd blow.

Burying the bodies was always a hassle tho'

lol! Imagine!

I remember those ludicrous 'night watches'. Bill had to do some and I was really scared for him. Remember the 'bullet holes' in the window of Tech Div? We were told it was the SAS or some US secret police. We believed our phones were all bugged by them too!

I remember the rats but I also remember the cochroaches. Hard to keep you TRs in when you are auditing and a cochroache crawls over your papers while you are listening to your pc. I still hate cochroaches to this very day. (I don't seem to be able to even spell it.) :confused2:

Sorry to Mrs Pattycake not to have any funny memories of water pistols or those high-jinx. Yep. It was fun, but I don't know if it was cos the tech was in. It was just cos it was new and was what people were looking for at the time because the tech was no more in then than now I don't think but I could be wrong about that.

 

[Carmel]

Hi darlin'

Thanks for all the info about what it was like to be on staff then - it sounds like it would be great - kind of what you'd expect if the tech was in and working.

I got in to scientology and joined staff in 85. I was Syd Fdn. By then the place was in a state of collapse - but there were "stories" of the boom times prior to 82 when there were 100s on staff - it was kind of unreal to me - we always were struggling, there was no time for fun, no time for training on your post let alone auditing.

I could not stay for long - it was too insane. I was an exec - every week we'd have a long meeting about the FP. We could not afford to pay for the phones or even toilet paper because we were under orders from up lines to get out the stupid promo pieces they kept sending us - yet the promo obviously did not work as we were not getting enough new public coming in.

(I had a degree in marketing - so it was just absurd to me that we would continually spend what little money we had on something that so obviously did not work ! )

Just thinking about those times makes me wonder why I did not leave Scientology for good - the staff were down trodden, the building was a rat infested dive - nothing much was getting produced except telexes to and fro management.

I remember the night I decided to leave - well morning really.I was leaving the Org at 2am and my senior yelled out to me that if I went home without getting my stats up he would assign me liability ( my post was field control sec and my stats were FSM commissions paid and memberships sold - there were no public in the Org at 2am !!! )

I told him to stick his condition assignment up his arse and walked out ! It felt great !

So its nice to hear that at one time it did work how it was supposed to .


.

Yeah, by '85 it was all pretty rotten, and it only went down hill from there. I understand why you left when you did - and I certainly remember that senior who you mentioned. His senior wasn't the best either - The Fdn Org was well into the swing of that cult think by then and a couple of the key Execs at that time seemed to have no qualms about turning that org into stat push city. It used to give us 'Day' guys the heebie geebies! (although 'Day' was headed in the same direction)

lol! Imagine!

I remember those ludicrous 'night watches'. Bill had to do some and I was really scared for him. Remember the 'bullet holes' in the window of Tech Div? We were told it was the SAS or some US secret police. We believed our phones were all bugged by them too!

I remember the rats but I also remember the cochroaches. Hard to keep you TRs in when you are auditing and a cochroache crawls over your papers while you are listening to your pc. I still hate cochroaches to this very day. (I don't seem to be able to even spell it.) :confused2:

Sorry to Mrs Pattycake not to have any funny memories of water pistols or those high-jinx. Yep. It was fun, but I don't know if it was cos the tech was in. It was just cos it was new and was what people were looking for at the time because the tech was no more in then than now I don't think but I could be wrong about that.

Guess what Gen, apparently those ludicrous night watches are still going, and the female staff are doing them too! I asked Tim what the hell he would do if there WAS an intruder or intruders. He said that he probably wouldn't even wake up, and what the hell could he do, if there were a few of them. (and yes, I remember the bullet holes.) The weird thing was, that we had nothing in the org to steal. No computers or video equipment or anything. The only thing to steal would have been hard copy records of stuff. Anything of potential value to authorities was shredded anyway. If the 'authorities' came in to get something, what could one single young male staff member do to stop them? - absolutely nothing! What a joke!

For the record, I think the tech was way more in then than now. The tech kept changing after you left, it got worse and worse, until GAT when it got fu'ked over big time.

I don't think that is the only point though. Harry, Ethel and Pat were good people, and in those days were left alone to run their org (in comparison to later times, anyway). They had a huge care factor for their staff and public. They wouldn't be just walked over, and they had the balls to stand up to anyone who tried to come in and by-pass or fu'k them over. Compliance with insanity wasn't something they went along with. Being in ANZO too, allowed them to get away with it for a time.

 

[Royal Prince Xenu]

...Burying the bodies was always a hassle tho'

You're right there. The local authorities are taking a definite interest in my practice of laying a new concrete slab for a garage each week...

 

[ttamaad]

I remember those ludicrous 'night watches'. Bill had to do some and I was really scared for him.

The bloody night watches... what a scam to incite fear and uneasiness around the place. I was the Sup at the time as well. I had to supervise all day, go and do my "wog job" at night and then return to the org for night watch and be ready to supervise the next morning.

It was a laugh really... I complained bitterly because the auditors weren't required to do it so why should I? I tried pulling rank (being a professor and all) nah, no go there either. My argument was that I was dealing with the public all day just like an auditor so why should I be treated any differently... hey it was worth a shot but we had to save the org from these sp's that were going to break in at any time... thinking about it now, "those sp's" must have been ordinary people like you and I, just going about their business.

and I remenber the shit about the 'reads' HCOB and all of the kerfuffle about that. We had to M9 it.... And then it was cancelled by a new HCOB which read that the earlier one wasn't written by whoever had said had written it and we had to word-clear the new HCOB ...all over again! I don't remember all that shit though, but I think Bill copped it,

When all this came out, I was required to get it all sorted in Qual and be on post supervising at the start of the day. Sometimes I have less than half an hour to read the new HCOB, get wordcleared, have "total understanding" and get onto post to sort some poor public out on an HCOB that they had spent the day before learning the previous versions and now had to "unlearn" them

I had to do my stats daily and if they were down on the previous day, I was sec checked ... before or after I did my "wog job"

Hey Ceedia, remember I copped a Court of Ethic's hearing one day after you (As Qual Sec) came down into the Academy and "caught" me asking one of the public to go and check their student points for the day as they seemed a bit short. The court of ethics was given for asking students to falsify stats. I am sure you gave me a cramming order for something but HCO took it up

Harry was the bloke who did the Court of Ethics... he took me into his auditing room and we talked about a camping trip in New Zealand. He was so funny... he then made me read some HCOB and told me to get home so I was well rested. I was assigned a condition of danger... HCO took over and after that I was sec checked every day for the next week or so, whether the points were up or down.

I then got hammered for pulling up a public (Richard Yared???) after he started uncontrollably laughing while listening to a tape. I sent him outside because he was disturbing the course room and he promptly went and red tagged. Apparently I had invalidated his win. I was f-ing furious when I got ethics handling and refused to have him in the course room. Every time he turned up, I routed him to ethics. I got hammered from all sides as I was stopping his completion but I was so pissed off. I kept saying if he could red tag after being on course, then he was being a case and should be in the HGC not the course room. He finally finished the course on Fnd.

 

[Carmel]

<snip>

Hey Ceedia, remember I copped a Court of Ethic's hearing one day after you (As Qual Sec) came down into the Academy and "caught" me asking one of the public to go and check their student points for the day as they seemed a bit short. The court of ethics was given for asking students to falsify stats. I am sure you gave me a cramming order for something but HCO took it up

Mmm! A bit below the belt in my books, Bill, but I'll answer it anyway.

No, I don't remember you copping a Court of Ethics as a result of some cramming order I wrote on you. However, I do remember writing more than a few cramming orders, on instances where students points, success stories and the likes were being solicited. Seeing it annoyed me, and when it started to become a bit more commonplace, it used to shit the hell out of me. I used to cram on 'stat push' HCOPL, and a reference on how 'an unusual solution' to a problem (ie down stats) would only become another problem.

Harry was the bloke who did the Court of Ethics... he took me into his auditing room and we talked about a camping trip in New Zealand. He was so funny... he then made me read some HCOB and told me to get home so I was well rested. I was assigned a condition of danger... HCO took over and after that I was sec checked every day for the next week or so, whether the points were up or down. <snip>

Nor do I have any recall of you being sec checked every day. The only sec checking I remember on staff prior to the Henderson mission in 83, were the joburgs.

If I caused that situation for you, then I would be sorry. However it isn't real to me that I did (jury is out on that one). There's a bunch of stuff that I recall, prominent in my mind, that I regret. What you've stated here, isn't amongst it though.

 

[ttamaad]

Mmm! A bit below the belt in my books, Bill, but I'll answer it anyway.

No, I don't remember you copping a Court of Ethics as a result of some cramming order I wrote on you. However, I do remember writing more than a few cramming orders, on instances where students points, success stories and the likes were being solicited. Seeing it annoyed me,

Sorry, Ceedia, this wasn't an attempt to derail anything you have said or to say it was your fault... Looking back, it was something I remembered with a smile... It was quite funny... I apologise for any inference... it was not the case that I even considered you were at fault

Nor do I have any recall of you being sec checked every day. The only sec checking I remember on staff prior to the Henderson mission in 83, were the joburgs.

If I caused that situation for you, then I would be sorry. However it isn't real to me that I did (jury is out on that one). There's a bunch of stuff that I recall, prominent in my mind, that I regret. What you've stated here, isn't amongst it though.

Sorry, I used the wrong wording. I spent several days having o/w pulled in session and this was happening after supervising, each evening. For some reason, I was on the list of "must have overts" after the Cont TTC debacle. I was also required to remove all the Cont TTC student points off the stats and apply the condition for each week that the stats were different. The Jo-Berg was apart of the continued handling....

I have to say, though, that I aren't blaming you for anything... again, it was quite a humorous story to me. I apologise for any confusion and upset

 

[Voltaire's Child]

Absolutely appalling. In a normal "church", a person could file assault or defamation charges against someone else who behaved that way without any reprisals , a person could move about freely. Hideous how often they violate their own tech and policy and how they'll do anything to hurt people instead of facing up to the fact that they are the ones in the wrong virtually every single time.

So sorry you had to endure that shit. Glad you're as feisty and brave as you are.

 

[Carmel]

The onset of the Matt Henderson ANZO Mission in ‘83

We non SO had no idea that an AO was coming to ANZO. We considered that we were doing pretty well after the recent staff rip-offs to up-lines, and we were re-establishing our org. We weren’t being bothered with orders from SO mgt particularly (those of us not in networks, anyway), and the stats were trending upward again. One of our friends had become the CO. Our past CO had become the CO CLO. The senior SO Execs on staff in our org (who we had liked and admired), had left and gone up the org board or had ‘blown’.

One day in early April, this guy just walked into my C/S office (the usual thing to do was to knock). He was in SO uniform, but wasn’t wearing a hat or jacket or anything. He seemed jovial, light hearted, easy going and all the rest, but he didn’t wait for introductions or introduce himself or anything – he just started asking me questions and that was odd. I didn’t know who this guy was, and wondered how he could be so blaze about barging in and interrupting me like that with no manners. I didn’t arc up on it, I just simply and politely asked him to wait up, and asked him his name and what his post was.

Straight up, he asked me if I’d interrupt LRH like that. I was like, WTF? Then he repeated the question. I said that I wouldn’t because I’d recognize LRH and wouldn’t have to ask. He said that because he was a Commodore’s Messenger and in addition to that a CMO Int missionaire, that as far as I was concerned he might as well be LRH, and that I should show him the respect that I would give LRH. I didn’t understand that concept at all at the time, and it probably showed. I asked him if he had a name. He looked at me for a couple of seconds, then said that his name was Matt Henderson.

I asked him what a missionaire was (cause I didn’t know at the time). He explained. I asked him if he was on mission in our org. He said that he wasn’t, that he was on mission at the CLO. That he was in ANZO to help with re-establishment after all the recent changes. I was cool with that idea, cause I thought we were doing just fine with Jo running our org, and we all were just doing our jobs. (Needless to say probably, we didn’t get off on the right foot, considering that in short order he did end up coming into our org and running the show.)

Just a few days later, we got the first heavy 'hit' of the mission in our org. We witnessed Jo (our new CO/ED), being physically routed out of the org. It looked like she was being man-handled somewhat, and Jo was obviously looking perturbed. Matt was fuming and he was physically moving her around while she resisted. We were like "WTF is going on?" At one point, he said something like “get on with your production, this woman is being declared, and if anyone has a problem with that, then they’ll have a problem with me.” We were all stunned, and wondered what the hell had gone down. This was so out of the blue, and we didn’t understand it at all. Jo was one of our mates. She was a ballsey chick, and a good chick, and she was doing well running the org.

We were keen to know what was up, but things were crazy in the HGC that day (I was holding Genny’s lead C/S post - she was off on preg. leave at the time and IIRC I think I was still also holding the Qual Sec post). It was frantic that day, and I didn’t get time to think about it until later on. I went downstairs to talk to my hubby, but I couldn’t find him, and no-one seemed to know where he was. There weren’t mobiles/cell phones in those days, and us broke staff members didn’t have home phones, so I didn't know how to contact him or where the hell he had gone. I kept asking around. I was told that he had an altercation with the missionaire, that he told him to “get fucked” and left. I thought he wouldn’t have left without telling me, and I didn’t get it. Apparently, Tim questioned Matt as to what the hell he was doing when Matt was escorting our CO (Jo) out of the org (Jo and Tim were good friends). Apparently Tim and Matt had an altercation about it, it got a bit physical (just shoving – no punch up or anything). Matt was going to finish with Jo, then get back to Tim.

Tim was already jack of orders on the book sales lines (he had previously been busted off the Dissem Sec post and at this time was D/FBO for MORE – glorified Bookstore Officer). Now this! He decided he wasn’t going to hang around for Matt to get back to him, he left the building and went home.

That night, I found out what had gone down. I tried to convince Tim to go back on post the next day, but he wouldn’t have a bar of it. I knew he would get into trouble, but upon arrival at the org the next day, I was shown his SP declare. I was seen by Henderson, and two other Execs. It was put onto me that I had better handle Tim to come back in and confront all this, by paying for and doing a 'decks program' ($500 - which was a lot for a staff member in those days). I was told in no uncertain terms that if Tim didn't show the next day with dollars in hand, that the declare would be formally issued the next day.

I went home that night and we had a hell of a fight (our first fight). No way could I cope with the prospect of choosing between my husband who I adored, and scientology which I considered had given me a life. I was frantic. I wasn’t prepared to even look at having to make that choice. We yelled and cried a lot that night, but I won't go into all of that.

In the end, Tim succumbed to my wishes. He went into the org the next day, paid for a decks pgm on his credit card, and went off to Folo to do it. (It consisted of writing up o/ws, a lot of mest work at the Folo premises, and a bit of unsupervised study – he was there for about a week).

So this mission hit with a bang, a big one! Mostly we were all gob-smacked! While we had heard of and/or had a slight taste of stuff like this, we had never been confronted with anything quite like it ourselves. At this time, from a staff members perspective, this kind of thing was very foreign. Obviously this was the end of an era which was bliss in comparison, and just the start of a new one with many horrible insanities to come.