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lkwdblds

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Re: What would a real honest and true self help group look like on planet Earth?

Actually I said that the scilon iq test said 143. So sure, I'll take 149. Or higher....although I doubt I would score that well since I can't do even basic calculus. I'd score well on the language portions and pattern matching portions but not on the calculations most likely. :)

I'd go back to school to take math and calculus except at this point, what would be the point? I don't really need to be able to perform complicated mathematical feats.

I don't recall any calculus problems ever being on any IQ tests which I took. If that were the case, that would defeat the goal of IQ tests in general, wouldn't it. Taking one particular course of study should not effect the outcome of any valid IQ test. The calculations portion should require using only arithmetic and only the most fundamental concepts of algebra, concepts so fundamental that even if someone had never taken algebra, he could still solve the problem using logic and common sense.
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lkwdblds

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Mama in Italy

Call your travel agent, get ready to book some pretty code deals. If you are interested in seeing Italy, now may be the time to do it. Check out what Mama has to say:

"So a little about the Italy trip:
The Euro is way down - good for American vacationers.

We bought the trip off Groupon with an outfit called Gate One Travels.

The cost for airfare, train travel, shuttles from and to the airports, and hotels (including big all you can eat breakfasts) was $1,400. Per person from SFO to Europe and back, nine days and nights in Venice, Florence, and Rome.

We upgraded from sardine class to First Class and Business Class on the Trans oceanic flights. That cost more than anything, but if you've got the extra bucks makes a big difference to stiff muscles.

Gate One runs about twenty people a day, in the off season, through these Italian hotels. The hotels, themselves, rent normally for about $200. a night. They were included in the package $1,400.

Italy was in the 50s and 60s Fahrenheit. I wore a t shirt, a long sleeve thin wool blend ski undershirt, and a light wool sweater or North Face light jacket. And Levi's and running shoes.

The metros, the buses, the taxis, the trains, shuttles, uber, are all easy to deal with.

There was nothing, in the details, that distracted from the experience.

More to follow..."

Lakey for Mama
 

purple haze

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Re: Mama in Italy

Mama makes it sound so very enticing! Where are the photos?
Aloha from Hawaii,
Purple Haze
P.S. hope you're back in time to see Going Clear! I'll be back in time to see it in Hollywood.

Call your travel agent, get ready to book some pretty code deals. If you are interested in seeing Italy, now may be the time to do it. Check out what Mama has to say:

"So a little about the Italy trip:
The Euro is way down - good for American vacationers.

We bought the trip off Groupon with an outfit called Gate One Travels.

The cost for airfare, train travel, shuttles from and to the airports, and hotels (including big all you can eat breakfasts) was $1,400. Per person from SFO to Europe and back, nine days and nights in Venice, Florence, and Rome.

We upgraded from sardine class to First Class and Business Class on the Trans oceanic flights. That cost more than anything, but if you've got the extra bucks makes a big difference to stiff muscles.

Gate One runs about twenty people a day, in the off season, through these Italian hotels. The hotels, themselves, rent normally for about $200. a night. They were included in the package $1,400.

Italy was in the 50s and 60s Fahrenheit. I wore a t shirt, a long sleeve thin wool blend ski undershirt, and a light wool sweater or North Face light jacket. And Levi's and running shoes.

The metros, the buses, the taxis, the trains, shuttles, uber, are all easy to deal with.

There was nothing, in the details, that distracted from the experience.

More to follow..."

Lakey for Mama
 

lkwdblds

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Re: CHARO

Last night I was fortunate enough to see one of the greatest stars and greatest shows which I have ever seen. I saw Charro and her troupe perform yesterday afternoon at Soka University in Aliso Viefo, California in South Orange Country.

Prior to this concert, I had been citing 3 concerts seen long ago as the greatest concerts which I have ever attended. The first one was in 1964 when I saw Nat King Cole perform live at the old "Theatre in the Round" across the street from Disneyland in Anaheim, CA. The great singer sang most all of his most famous songs, including "Mona Lisa". In that theater, torn down decades ago, the stage rotated continuously and Nat King Cole had an uncanny ability to seem as if he was always looking at you and talking directly to you and singing for you. That was a great show. In 1967, I was in Tivoli Gardens in Denmark and out of the blue, I noticed a billboard saying that Marlene Dietrich was performing there that night and that the concert would cost 5 "krone". Danish Crowns were worth 20 cents at the time. I hurried to the box office and for $1.00 US, I was able to see a two hour live show from one of the most legendary entertainers of all time.

I described that show in detail on the this thread back in its early days and won't do it again here. The other memorable show for me was the Captain and Tenneille, seen by me and my wife in Las Vegas sometime during the mid to late 1980's In the Captain and Tenneille team, Toni, the female lead always did all the talking and Daryl Dragon, the Captain simply wore his captain's hat and joined her in the songs. Toni started out mentioning that fans often asked her if Daryl could talk or he was poor at public speaking. She said that he was a better public speaker than she was but he just didn't like speaking in public all that much. She said that they were going to make this a landmark show and she would hand him the microphone and shut up and let him do all the talking. Daryl then took over and was a fantastic emcee for the show plus he performed an old song from the late 50's or early 60's called, "The Book of Love"

Seeing Daryl, Toni and their band sing and dance to this song put this concert in my top 3. Here is a video of the song:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qIfuNPbBaaA

Getting back to Charro, one of the reasons she is so good is that her show contains so many genres of music and dance. First of all, she comes out in her "cutchi cutchi" mode which is sort dressing and acting like she is a burlesque performer, telling lewd jokes and being very suggestive sexually. Changing modes, she enters into Spanish music and dance, starting with a group of dancers in her troupe, 2 males and 2 females, dancing the Basa Nova and then dancing Flamenco. Charo gets into the act a bit participating in part of the dancing.

Next she goes into Spanish popular music and sings one of my all time favorites, "Er es tu/". This song made it big on the charts in the USA in the early 70's. Older people usually remember it but most younger people have not heard of it..

A full show is made up of all this singing and dancing in many and various genres. As if that weren't enough, she now brings in her skill playing classical guitar. She mentions that she started out in show business at age 7 learning classical guitar and studying under one of the all time greats, Andres Segovia. She was so successful that she is actually considered one of the greatest classical guitar players in the world.

Here os a sample of her plane the famous Malagena by Ernesto Leucania: She played that piece at last night's performance as well!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XmNPXqG6ovg

After playing that number, she had a long talk with the audience telling them how great they are. She is 64 now and yet is brimming with tremendous energy. What a show, I think that is now the number one show that I have seen so far!!
Lakey
 
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Maria Cuervo

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Re: CHARO

Wow. That is just phenomenal. Amazing! I wish I could do that!
I can create paintings but when it comes to music nothing.
This is just so cool.
Thank you for sharing this!

Last night I was fortunate enough to see one of the greatest stars and greatest shows which I have ever seen. I saw Charro and her troupe perform yesterday afternoon at Soka University in Aliso Viefo, California in South Orange Country.

Prior to this concert, I had been citing 3 concerts seen long ago as the greatest concerts which I have ever attended. The first one was in 1964 when I saw Nat King Cole perform live at the old "Theatre in the Round" across the street from Disneyland in Anaheim, CA. The great singer sang most all of his most famous songs, including "Mona Lisa". In that theater, torn down decades ago, the stage rotated continuously and Nat King Cole had an uncanny ability to seem as if he was always looking at you and talking directly to you and singing for you. That was a great show. In 1967, I was in Tivoli Gardens in Denmark and out of the blue, I noticed a billboard saying that Marlene Dietrich was performing there that night and that the concert would cost 5 "krone". Danish Crowns were worth 20 cents at the time. I hurried to the box office and for $1.00 US, I was able to see a two hour live show from one of the most legendary entertainers of all time.

I described that show in detail on the this thread back in its early days and won't do it again here. The other memorable show for me was the Captain and Tenneille, seen by me and my wife in Las Vegas sometime during the mid to late 1980's In the Captain and Tenneille team, Toni, the female lead always did all the talking and Daryl Dragon, the Captain simply wore his captain's hat and joined her in the songs. Toni started out mentioning that fans often asked her if Daryl could talk or he was poor at public speaking. She said that he was a better public speaker than she was but he just didn't like speaking in public all that much. She said that they were going to make this a landmark show and she would hand him the microphone and shut up and let him do all the talking. Daryl then took over and was a fantastic emcee for the show plus he performed an old song from the late 50's or early 60's called, "The Book of Love"

Seeing Daryl, Toni and their band sing and dance to this song put this concert in my top 3. Here is a video of the song:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qIfuNPbBaaA

Getting back to Charro, one of the reasons she is so good is that her show contains so many genres of music and dance. First of all, she comes out in her "cutchi cutchi" mode which is sort dressing and acting like she is a burlesque performer, telling lewd jokes and being very suggestive sexually. Changing modes, she enters into Spanish music and dance, starting with a group of dancers in her troupe, 2 males and 2 females, dancing the Basa Nova and then dancing Flamenco. Charo gets into the act a bit participating in part of the dancing.

Next she goes into Spanish popular music and sings one of my all time favorites, "Er es tu/". This song made it big on the charts in the USA in the early 70's. Older people usually remember it but most younger people have not heard of it..

A full show is made up of all this singing and dancing in many and various genres. As if that weren't enough, she now brings in her skill playing classical guitar. She mentions that she started out in show business at age 7 learning classical guitar and studying under one of the all time greats, Andres Segovia. She was so successful that she is actually considered one of the greatest classical guitar players in the world.

Here os a sample of her plane the famous Malagena by Ernesto Leucania: She played that piece at last night's performance as well!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XmNPXqG6ovg

After playing that humber, she had a long talk with the audience telling them how great they are. She is 64 now and yet is brimming with tremendous energy. What a show, I think that is now the number one show that I have seen so far!!
Lakey
 

lkwdblds

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Re: CHARO

Wow. That is just phenomenal. Amazing! I wish I could do that!
I can create paintings but when it comes to music nothing.
This is just so cool.
Thank you for sharing this!

Being able to paint must be a wonderful gift to have. If it is possible, it would be nice if you could post photos of some of your work or supply a link for us to view your work. Charo really seems to be a very high positive energy, very special type of human being. As far as playing music, I would rate her a musical genius in the field of performing music but that is just the beginning of her many talents. She seems to have the same type of gift when it comes to dance as well as singing. She is extremely extroverted but often when that trait is present in many people, some ugliness tends to be revealed but with her, all that emanates from her is great volumes of positive energy. Besides all her gifts in the arts, she is a comedian as well. She has a way of coming up with jokes about the way she speaks English, with a thick Spanish accent. A stock joke of hers seems to be that if her music, dance, comedy and cuchi cuchi talents leave her, all will not be lost because she could still earn a good living as an English teacher. Last but not least, she is a skilled linguist being fluent in not only Spanish but English and French and if that is not enough, she also speaks Japanese!

You talk about reaching the various grades and states of being which Hubbard claimed for Scientology. She is a real Communications release, that is for sure!!

For me, mostly "dead lights" in all the art forms except a wee bit of talent in music but only for being able to memorize lyrics and melodies with no talent whatever in composing music and just a wee bit of ability in being able to play music. I can play the piano a bit, played a little French Horn in school and have a nice singing voice.

If you can paint well, Maria, I would call that a blessing.
Lakey
 

Maria Cuervo

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Being able to paint must be a wonderful gift to have. If it is possible, it would be nice if you could post photos of some of your work or supply a link for us to view your work. Charo really seems to be a very high positive energy, very special type of human being. As far as playing music, I would rate her a musical genius in the field of performing music but that is just the beginning of her many talents. She seems to have the same type of gift when it comes to dance as well as singing. She is extremely extroverted but often when that trait is present in many people, some ugliness tends to be revealed but with her, all that emanates from her is great volumes of positive energy. Besides all her gifts in the arts, she is a comedian as well. She has a way of coming up with jokes about the way she speaks English, with a thick Spanish accent. A stock joke of hers seems to be that if her music, dance, comedy and cuchi cuchi talents leave her, all will not be lost because she could still earn a good living as an English teacher. Last but not least, she is a skilled linguist being fluent in not only Spanish but English and French and if that is not enough, she also speaks Japanese!

You talk about reaching the various grades and states of being which Hubbard claimed for Scientology. She is a real Communications release, that is for sure!!

For me, mostly "dead lights" in all the art forms except a wee bit of talent in music but only for being able to memorize lyrics and melodies with no talent whatever in composing music and just a wee bit of ability in being able to play music. I can play the piano a bit, played a little French Horn in school and have a nice singing voice.

If you can paint well, Maria, I would call that a blessing.
Lakey

Sure Lakey, I will post some art. I've been dealing with some life things the last couple of days. My copy of Mulholland Falls is not here yet. Hopefully it will be today. Let me look through my artfile and see what I can come up with after I am done eating lunch. :)
 

Maria Cuervo

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Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973

I generally do figure painting...but here is something other than figurative...Most of my stuff is not realistic this way, but its a forum and I don't want to post too many human figures here.

thistles-crop_zps9jixirc0.jpg
 
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Maria Cuervo

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I hope that gives an idea. I have hundreds in every genre. So no idea where to start to post. I like figurative, like the Leda one here, but I have abstract, landscape, still life. Whatever. What I paint depends on my mood. LOL. Sorry it is so big. I don't know how to size things here on the forum. I don't care for having to use photobucket either! oops I might have messed something up and may need to repost the art. I accidentally did something in that photobucket nightmare place.
 

lkwdblds

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Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973

I'm not an art connoisseur but I like both paintings which you put up very much!!

Do you offer your art for sale or is it just a hobby?
Lakey
 

Maria Cuervo

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Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973

Impressive.

Has lady Liberty fallen down?

it is two pictures. The Statue of Liberty and Zeus as a swan raping Leda. One could say it's a picture of America being raped. Or suffering- lady liberty quite dejected. Or hung over from excess- note the grapes in her hair. Or that it is leda and bolts of Zeus' lightning flow from her head as she is raped. It's a Greek myth...I did not invent it. Or it is both of those stories resonating between ancient and modern elements of the picture.

many artists have used this same exact composition at least three I know of not including me - here is one. So I was not being super original in this one. Except that I interjected lady liberty.

http://www.metmuseum.org/collection/the-collection-online/search/364519?enlarge=true
 
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Maria Cuervo

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Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973

I'm not an art connoisseur but I like both paintings which you put up very much!!

Do you offer your art for sale or is it just a hobby?
Lakey

i am willing to sell things in future and even do commissions but am taking some personal time for a bit at the moment. :)
 

Maria Cuervo

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Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973

I guess it amazes me that with all the beautiful things people can do to be creative, like painting or writing, or sports, or any number of things, that people are instead drawn to things that cramp their freedom, like Scientology. I've thought about it a lot. I can only guess that the issue revolves around their 'ruins'. A person is pushed to give up their ruin. Of course they sell their soul to resolve that.

What a devil's bargain.

But really ruins can't be resolved that way, the way Scientology thinks.
 

Maria Cuervo

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Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973

Ya know, I posted this on another thread. I was remembering how my husband at the time I was in the org would send me to ethics to write up w/hs and do conditions because I had been honest and told him that a) you forced me to marry you b) I don't like you that way and I don't want to be married and c) this won't change but if you insist on being married, hope you don't mind the emotional one way street. Oh yeah, he even punched me in the leg once during these chats. But he was the qual sec and so although my leg was punched and bruised for a month, I got sent to ethics to be handled. The idea in Scn is not authenticity, that is, honesty. Honestly, he was not the one for me. I was being open about it. But that 'truth' was not liked, it was the wrong answer. So I was sent to ethics and got handled until I came up with the right answer. It's like in Scientology it really is about giving up one's freedom for the greater good. Except the greater good is decided by an asshat who I don't know from Adam, who also gets to steal all my money, tell me who I am allowed to have a relationship with, is allowed to separate me from my children, can decide to kick me in the hole and deny me medical care, and basically cares not one IOTA for me. Now that was not TOTAL FREEDOM I was working on! It was masochism. Like really, who on earth is going to 'improve' by doing conditions based on the judgments of other human beings as to what is best for me. Talk about conflict of interest. There is no such thing as Love in Scientology. it's about making it go right. Expediency. Practical a->b upstat v. downstat. It's about being a robot machine. A Stepford wife for the women in there.
 
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