The Little Thread Which Grew - the Apollo '73 to Everything But

[Ted]

[...]

Much of his [Hubbard's] adult behavior conforms to at least one DSM IV described personality disorder at the least. I can pin at least three and probably four on him. Oppositional/Defiant, Narcissistic, Borderline Personality, Histrionic Personality Disorder, take your pick. All apply to his recorded behavior over time. I personally think he was, above all, a textbook sociopath. They are often very charming, charismatic and have forceful, persuasive personalities, and can be quite materially successful in life. They live by their own rules, and don't conform to societies' rules unless compelled to.

[...]

Ted, I don't know if this helps you (I'm also one of those eager helper/do gooder types) to find more peace and handle those feelings about "He lied, I missed it", but countless people have been taken in by sociopaths. They can be utterly charming and persuasive, very attractive in many ways, until they turn on you and you finally get to see their dark side at last. That is what happened to so many who went in to service in the "church", only to be bitterly betrayed, disillusioned and actively harmed by someone they revered as a Spiritual leader.

I am okay, really I am.

Pick one disorder. Learn about it. See if it fits LRH. If the disorder fits, 8C him off that pedestal of OT worship that has been built for him. I believe it will do a person some good to do that.

As for George, Rathbun, Rinder, any or all the others, I like to believe any one of them could show up on my doorstep looking for some good counsel so I stay away from commenting on them. DM is another story. He belongs in jail.

 

[SweetnessandLight]

End Cycle one way or another...

I understand you completely Ted, just wanted to show that you are not the only one that had that cog about Ron.

I feel quite certain that anyone who found themselves adrift after a lifetime of service to Corporate Scientology and landed on your doorstep would find help and assistance there. Happy New Year!

 

[hbeer]

Heidrun, so far as I am concerned, the inability to beat the addition to smoking is a form of a death wish, in the classic sense. A wish to come close to death, to skirt it, and beat it, in order to feel more alive. I think smokers need every assistance to stop now, LIKE ANY OTHER ADDICT.

Hi S+L,


there is some agreement with your idea above in me; however I more believe that a real addict may be helpless in overcoming the addiction, even if he really wants to. Even with the best of drug rundowns, there is still the physical part of it to handle, with is an absolute bitch.

Now, I'm afraid I have to add this to my signature: I am overwhelmed by the volume of messages on this board (combined with the hats I am holding in life). Please, if anyone here feels neglected by me, let me assure you that the reason is only an acute lack of bodies.

I am answering PM's and e-mails before I go to the threads. So if you want to be sure to get an answer soon, please send a PM. But I will also have to travel, probably on the 4th of January.

Change of subject: Antony Phillips, Father of the Ivy magazine, celebrates his 80th birthday today. I have placed a post on the Ivy thread here:

http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?t=11331&page=5

If you want to congratulate him, or share your personal Ant-ecdote, pay a visit!

(Hey S+L, I just see that YOU did it already!)



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[Blue Spirit]

WELL.................

For God Sakes Blue, you are awfully cocky tonight! Well I can handle being critiqued by you. You know my claim of a handled Service Fac. All I asked is being critiqued for something I actually did. In this case I said that no eval is needed and then you critqued me omitting CONTINUOUS PSYCHOTIC SUPPRESSION from my Evals, I mean I get what you are saying and I do agree with your point but I think you should've phrased it differently, maybe, "If you do Evals, be sure you factor in the CONTINUOUS PSYCHOTIC SUPPRESSION from the top down as a prevailing factor before you start your Eval."

Its really no big deal but somehow you may be indicating a wrong item to me which is "not my item" and then I would have to go in for a session. Anyway, you make a good point about the CONTINUOUS PSYCHOTIC SUPPRESSION.

Keep up the good work, I can as-is any wrong items which come my way.

I just talked to Mike Goldstein a few days ago and shot the bull for about 20 or 30 minutes. Yes, under Diana's urging, he worked putting a new Book I grass roots type co audit together forming a technical liaison with the brilliant 1950's tech specialist, John Galusha. They had a big success in Denver and as a result were invited to put on the seminar at Flag. The Flag trolls watched with disgust as the public was VVGI's and having lots of wins and case gain was being made but not a lot of money was being regged and not enough stats were being kept. Who cared about pc wins and case gains, the whole thing was all about money collected and stats. Flag took over the program, got rid of the wins, and the case gain and substituted stats and more gross income and "Golds" saw what they did to his and Galusha's course and came back to Denver and wrote and sent in his formal resignation to the Church. This was around the time of the second Mission Holders Meeting which was pretty early to get out. If I would have been that smart, I would be sitting on several hundred thousand dollars more of money and would be retired and able to spend all my time posting on the internet.
Lakey

I am cocky.

Purple Haze, the first numbered Clear (not Johnny Mac), and the guy who

corrected the tech better than anyone else (too good & was declared) were

ALL at my dinner table tonight. That's enough to make one cocky.


I stand by my assessment.


Mike G. covered that same story for me in March and a number of other

interesting ones over a full week in his kitchen. He is honest and has seen a

lot. He is one of those who was too big of a being for LRH to fuck with, so

really wrote his own ticket until DM had to hit yet another upstat.

He was also close to Diana Hubbard, who sadly propitiated to DM with some

sort of False Loyalty to her father.


OK, Lakey, I've made an appointment for you with the Ethics Officer, ME,

at your earliest convenience. Soon or else I'll have to send one of my

uniformed people for you !

 

[hbeer]

Hiedrun, I am so sorry for being insensitive and making sport and fun over your extremely unfortunate loss. The love whom you lost must be the 3rd of your nine year love affairs. Only now, after receiving this news, do I realize that I made a stupid remark. I beg for your forgiveness on the grounds that I did not know that you lost the love of a lifetime to smoking.

I am aware that smoking is still more prevalent in Europe than in the U.S. because I was in Europe last June. The guy I wanted you to get in communication with from the Vienna area, Karl Braunsteiner, is still a chain smoker, as is his friend Alex, who is now here working with me in Southern California. Luci, my ex wife's second cousin from France, a beautiful woman who just finished a visit here last week, still smokes but has cut down from two packs a day, when she visitied us in 2007 to 1/2 pack a day this year. She works as a nurse and she told us that she loves smoking and hates to give it up but she is nevertheless determined to give it up.

I still wish you would contact Karl. The easiest way is to PM him using his ESMB screen name, Karlo97. He is a very, very interesting guy and very friendly. He got as far as solo NOTs and has some very interesting anectdotes about his experiences in the church. He is well connected and knows a lot of influential people, many of whom are ex Scientologists. He lives in the hills of the Veinna woods, about 10 miles from St. Polten and 40 miles from Vienna. I think you two have so much in common and really should meet.

Hiedrun, I am going to sign off for now but once again, I want to express my condolences for your tragic loss and apologize for the joke I made about your thread on smoking. By the way, I tried to go to that thread yesterday to say hello but I could not find it. Please give me the name of the thread.
Lakey

Hi Lakey,


when you looked, I had not written it yet. It is here:

http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?t=15598

Thank you for your heartfelt apology. I understand that you didn't have the background. I didn't want to give you an overt - just show you another possible viewpoint or priority setting on smoking. Just like a person who attests a grade wants other people to have a similar win, I do not want other people to have a similar loss due to something as silly as nicotine addiction.

Paul's dramatic death is nearly 3 years in the past now, and was well handled in session. Today I am glad that I married Paul even though I knew that he was sick (and also 19 years older than me). He was a treasure, and not only to me. I learned something about body age and health: while it is generally prudent to look at life expectation statistics, there are some people where statistics don't count. They are simply too precious to let them float away again, once they have become visible on the horizon (he lived in Canada when we first connected). The old question of quantity versus quality, I guess.

I had a real love story this lifetime. How many people have that? In the middle of a lifetime that is difficult by design, an angel stayed with me for 9 years. How many people have that? Today, when I meet a man, I know how it could be, should be, and without wanting a clone of Paul, I will know what compromises I am no longer willing to allow into my space. So he is still taking care of me by reminding me of a relatively ideal scene. (There were problems too, mainly regarding diet and health. I won't elaborate on them - they cost him his life when he liked it best - I bet he has learned from that.)




Now, this morning I woke up with a wonderful New Year's message. I want to write that now. Allow me to disappear for a while



And oh, I invited Karl as an ESMB friend. If he doesn't react, I'll PM him.



Best,

 

[SweetnessandLight]

More friends!

Blue, I hope Mike G. and others are writing their stories down for posterity somewhere. Otherwise, encourage them to join here and chat with us!

Heidrun, take your time, this ESMB can be a real time sink. You have a real life and family to care for, we'll understand. We're just glad you have joined us!

 

[RogerB]

This is One of the Most Important Issues We Have to Address

Snipped . . . .

Okay, I forgot what I was writing...

In 2003 Alan wrote:

LOSS OF GAMES and LOSS OF OPPONENTS are possibly the biggest cause of
BPC there is.

[...]

Those with the heaviest by-passed charge are stuck in loss of games.
By-passed charge by its very nature causes separation, individuation,
distance and unreality. Until that by-passed charge is fully handled
there will be no real connections. Plus initially when a connection is
made and a contact is initiated it will turn on more by-passed charge
that needs to be handled. This cycle may take quite sometime to handle
before the connectees are comfortable with each other and are free of
by-passed charge.
Alan

Good post Ted . . . .

This quote of Alan's you included is perhaps one of the most important tech points and areas of case issues we have to address.

In fact we see its dramatization all over the Ex Scn fraternity and is very well displayed here on ESMB.

It is worth having a good re-read of and applying where and as needed.

There is, also, a point not mentioned in the excerpt of Alan's above. Whether he mentioned it or not in the original piece, I do not know.

Firstly, LRH's tech spoke very generally, even loosely, on the subject of charge and by-passed charge. The two are in actuality lumped together and interchanged as one and the same thing by LRH, but there is a vast difference between the two.

The familiar expression, "You're by-passing charge on me" is often inaccurate. The correct statement would be, "You are producing charge on me."

Let's look at why this is. "Charge" is defined in both the regular and science dictionaries as accumulated energy. In the spiritual/Theta sense we could/should say Life-Force rather than "energy" . . . though in strict scientific and definition terms they are one and the same, as they both have "the ability to do work" which is a definition of energy

This definition is the familiar one as used when describing what one does with a battery which needs some "juice."

Charge is actually produced in present time, now. Let's repeat that with some emphasis: charge is produced in present time now.

Charge becomes by-passed charge when it is incorrectly handled, or not handled and left unhandled, and thus builds up as charge produced but remaining on the case to fester and get in the way of present time.

There are two levels of this. In the physical universe with its time stream we would view by-passed charge as having been produced in the past and hanging up to affect PT. In the spiritual universes prior to or outside of the physical universe, charge that is produced and by-passed simply sits in the continuum of our spiritual existence; it floats along with us affecting and interfering with our every endeavor.

The bad news about by-passed charge is that it screws up one's ability to interface correctly and deal with present time as it ought be dealt with . . . and this fact actually produces more charge in present time

And so, life can becomes a miserable affair . . . the kind of travail so common to most humans without any workable tech

So, on the above, Alan correctly observed and stated that: "Those with the heaviest by-passed charge are stuck in loss of games. By-passed charge by its very nature causes separation, individuation, distance and unreality."

En mass, many scientologists had inflicted on them a catastrophic "loss of game" in the period we are referring to as the "destruction of the mission network." Any scientologist who had a goal, dream and aspiration of a future, and who had it destroyed by the destructive carry-ons of the church has had a "loss of game phenomenan" inflicted on him or her.

The mechanics of it are that, when you had your goals, dreams, aspirations and future mocked up intact and operating you had enormous space and reach into future time with power and Life-Force directed and deployed into that future time and your operating space. But when those goals, dreams, aspirations and future mocked ups were betrayed or otherwise sabotaged by the church, it all came crashing down around you.

And that, my dears, is mega "accumulation of (misdirected) energy" in a one fell-swoop instant.

It is the reason so many betrayed by the church felt so "crushed." They were. They were crushed by the collapse of their own creations . . . creations that had contained so much colossal power and energy and Life-Force.

And the charge created by these events, not being correctly or fully handled for many became by-passed for and on them. And many still sit in it

Many, of course, handled the situation in various ways that enable them to continue on in the pursuit of their purposes, goals, dreams and aspirations, even if in amended form. Some might have even fully handled the "loss of game" and collapsed universe phenomena and its massive charge.

Individuals differ, of course.

In any event, Alan did develop the tech and R/D to fully handle the above.

That will be a subject for a later post as this one is already long.

RogerB

 

[lkwdblds]

CC scribe Lakedy must be invited to celebrity diniers!

I am cocky.

Purple Haze, the first numbered Clear (not Johnny Mac), and the guy who

corrected the tech better than anyone else (too good & was declared) were

ALL at my dinner table tonight. That's enough to make one cocky.


Now you are getting too cocky and I am going to have to write an Ethcs report on you. The charge will be, Having a Celebrity Dinner at your house without inviting Lakey! I'll have you know that I am the Official Celebrity Centre Scribe and Management has decreed that I must be invited to alll local dinners where there are Celebrity guests! Of course, if you are the Ethics officer, you will just tear it up. Oh well, I will still do my duty and go through the motions!

I stand by my assessment.


Mike G. covered that same story for me in March and a number of other

interesting ones over a full week in his kitchen. He is honest and has seen a

lot. He is one of those who was too big of a being for LRH to fuck with, so

really wrote his own ticket until DM had to hit yet another upstat.

He was also close to Diana Hubbard, who sadly propitiated to DM with some

sort of False Loyalty to her father.

Yes, the above is all correct by me and with Mary Sue either in prison or too tarnished by being labeled an ex convict, she could not effectively fight off DM, Diana tried a few things with Golds and then propitiated, Quentin was dead and even if alive, it is very unlikely that he would have taken any role in a skirmish with DM. Arthur was more interested in Art, the way Quentin was interested in being a pilot and Suzette was just a person who happened to be named Hubbard and had the family trade mark of red hair. By my limited knowledge in this area, she showed no interest or ability in either Scn tech or admin. Therefore the entire Hubbard family was easily swept out of the way of a DM take over.

It is really ironic that Mary Sue took the fall for LRH and went to prison on his behalf. Then after serving her term was damaged goods because of being an ex Con and therefore could not stand up to DM. What a terrible and unjust ending for Mary Sue Hubbard! She was loyal to LRH and yet was abandoned by him and lost her position as next in command because of her bad name for being convicted of a felony. This is one of those things that DM himself probably did not plan but it just fell into his lap and he was quick to seize on the opportunity and realized that MSH could now be totally swept out of the picture as his rival. SOMETIMES LIFE ISN'T FAIR. DM had no compassion for MSH and immediately she was edited out of the Scn History books. As the British would say, VERY UNSAVORY STUFF!

OK, Lakey, I've made an appointment for you with the Ethics Officer, ME,

at your earliest convenience. Soon or else I'll have to send one of my

uniformed people for you !

Aye, Sir. Please go easy on me, I was only trying to help and now you have permanently damaged my reputation so that no one will ever take my Evals seriously again because I did not take into account CONTINUOUS SUPPRESSION FROM ABOVE in Evals which I never wrote. What, you say to quit nattering and find my misunderstood word or symbol. Aye Sir, please pass me that unabridged Dictionary on your desk and oh, do you have an extra demo kit available here in Ethics? I forgot to bring my own kit.

Lakey

 

[lkwdblds]

Don't worry about the length of your post, Rog!

Good post Ted . . . .

This quote of Alan's you included is perhaps one of the most important tech points and areas of case issues we have to address.

In fact we see its dramatization all over the Ex Scn fraternity and is very well displayed here on ESMB.

It is worth having a good re-read of and applying where and as needed.

There is, also, a point not mentioned in the excerpt of Alan's above. Whether he mentioned it or not in the original piece, I do not know.

Firstly, LRH's tech spoke very generally, even loosely, on the subject of charge and by-passed charge. The two are in actuality lumped together and interchanged as one and the same thing by LRH, but there is a vast difference between the two.

The familiar expression, "You're by-passing charge on me" is often inaccurate. The correct statement would be, "You are producing charge on me."

Let's look at why this is. "Charge" is defined in both the regular and science dictionaries as accumulated energy. In the spiritual/Theta sense we could/should say Life-Force rather than "energy" . . . though in strict scientific and definition terms they are one and the same, as they both have "the ability to do work" which is a definition of energy

This definition is the familiar one as used when describing what one does with a battery which needs some "juice."

Charge is actually produced in present time, now. Let's repeat that with some emphasis: charge is produced in present time now.

Charge becomes by-passed charge when it is incorrectly handled, or not handled and left unhandled, and thus builds up as charge produced but remaining on the case to fester and get in the way of present time.

There are two levels of this. In the physical universe with its time stream we would view by-passed charge as having been produced in the past and hanging up to affect PT. In the spiritual universes prior to or outside of the physical universe, charge that is produced and by-passed simply sits in the continuum of our spiritual existence; it floats along with us affecting and interfering with our every endeavor.

The bad news about by-passed charge is that it screws up one's ability to interface correctly and deal with present time as it ought be dealt with . . . and this fact actually produces more charge in present time

And so, life can becomes a miserable affair . . . the kind of travail so common to most humans without any workable tech

So, on the above, Alan correctly observed and stated that: "Those with the heaviest by-passed charge are stuck in loss of games. By-passed charge by its very nature causes separation, individuation, distance and unreality."

En mass, many scientologists had inflicted on them a catastrophic "loss of game" in the period we are referring to as the "destruction of the mission network." Any scientologist who had a goal, dream and aspiration of a future, and who had it destroyed by the destructive carry-ons of the church has had a "loss of game phenomenan" inflicted on him or her.

The mechanics of it are that, when you had your goals, dreams, aspirations and future mocked up intact and operating you had enormous space and reach into future time with power and Life-Force directed and deployed into that future time and your operating space. But when those goals, dreams, aspirations and future mocked ups were betrayed or otherwise sabotaged by the church, it all came crashing down around you.

And that, my dears, is mega "accumulation of (misdirected) energy" in a one fell-swoop instant.

It is the reason so many betrayed by the church felt so "crushed." They were. They were crushed by the collapse of their own creations . . . creations that had contained so much colossal power and energy and Life-Force.

And the charge created by these events, not being correctly or fully handled for many became by-passed for and on them. And many still sit in it

Many, of course, handled the situation in various ways that enable them to continue on in the pursuit of their purposes, goals, dreams and aspirations, even if in amended form. Some might have even fully handled the "loss of game" and collapsed universe phenomena and its massive charge.

Individuals differ, of course.

In any event, Alan did develop the tech and R/D to fully handle the above.

That will be a subject for a later post as this one is already long.

RogerB

Loyal and priveliged readers, DID YOU JUST READ WHAT ROG JUST WROTE?! THIS IS LIFE CHANGING INFORMATION, I, FOR ONE, BLEW SIGNIFICANT CHARGE JUST NOW IN READING IT! ALAN, ALSO, MUST BE ACKNOWLEDGED.

THERE MUST BE SOME WAY TO GET THIS INFORMATION MORE BROADLY DISTRIBUTED. DOES ANY ONE HAVE ANY IDEAS. One interesting phenomena is that without having this data to hand, myself and many others still were able to rebuild our dreams in full or partailly, just through strength, dilligence, perserverance and just our power of being to make things go right. Yet, we can see in ourselves and others that even though our noble quest handled our damaged phsyches and lives to various extents on a gradient from partailly to totally being handled, most of us have vestiges or pockets of remaining charge on this which is not fully handled and with tech like Rog posted above, those pockets can now be cleaned up because of our new and clarified understanding. Thank you Alan W. and Rog!

Roger, don't worry about the legth of your posts on my account, just keep writing this great stuff. If you have to end off because of your own schedule, of course, that is a different matter and I understand.

 

[lkwdblds]

Mike is a member here.

Blue, I hope Mike G. and others are writing their stories down for posterity somewhere. Otherwise, encourage them to join here and chat with us!

Heidrun, take your time, this ESMB can be a real time sink. You have a real life and family to care for, we'll understand. We're just glad you have joined us!

Mike is an ESMB member. His Idenics posting has around 65,000 views, second most on the board. He is busy with his Idenics business and other projects but he says in his spare time, which is not that great, he reads ESMB, and lately, he has been concentrating on reading this thread! If you want to contact him, you can do so. Go to the Idenics thread or just Google Mike Goldstein and his contact info is thee. He has a lot of inside knowledge from the Apollo on through the second Mission Holders' Meeting.
Lakey

 

[Ted]

Charge!

Charge is mismanaged, mangled, and tangled Life Force.

It is not something to be gotten rid of unless one wished to bring an area back to Static. And this can be accomplished with the appropriate repair lists, find, indicate, let the pc itsa techniques.

Controlled management of Life Force means no upset even though the person might have charge on someone or something.

Oh, hell... If a being takes all areas of his life to a no-charge condition he will feel WONDERFUL! I know. It's been done. That being won't necessarily accomplish much either.

Whose Life Force are we talking about? I don't know. It doesn't matter. Life Force is Life Force. Use it.

Controlled management of Life Force means change and prosperity.

The Life Force that flowed into and out of the Mission network was severely mismanaged. That means change (as in destruction) and no-prosperity for all concerned.

Standard Tech. Who cares? There are many different versions of Standard Tech. How about Correct Tech?

Correct Tech will facilitate a being in flowing his or another's Life Force into those areas he wished to mock up.

It is easy to tell if you have correct tech. It will take you where you wanna go. It is not easy to tell if you have Standard Tech. Standard in one org is not necessarily Standard in another. I know. I've been there.

Here's an LRH maxim that works out pretty well in life: Control = income.

There's 8C which is defined as fine, responsible control. In fact, everything else is not control at all, as defined by LRH.

There's dominating control. This is what the church uses. This is what WISE has used.

There's lying control.

There's abusive control.

On and on...

Just because control is abusive doesn't mean the GI won't go up. It will. So the maxim holds true.

Now plug the various types of control into the KRC triangle. At once I can see that knowledge and responsibility flop around in relation to the type of control exercised.

Take the knowledge corner of the triangle and look at what passes for knowledge.

Knowledge Reports. That's pretty funny. Knowledge Reports written on me were actually the originator's BPC report. Most contained little actual knowledge. Imagine what that does to the R and C corners of the triangle.

How about a ser fac or fixed idea passing as knowledge? That can be blatantly destructive to R and C.

Back to the point: Charge is Life Force. What people have been calling charge is actually mismanaged, mangled, and tangled Life Force. It doesn't matter whose Life Force we are talking about or using. Get the management in place and that Life Force (charge) can be used constructively.

 

[RogerB]

Nice One, Ted . . .

Charge is mismanaged, mangled, and tangled Life Force.

It is not something to be gotten rid of unless one wished to bring an area back to Static. And this can be accomplished with the appropriate repair lists, find, indicate, let the pc itsa techniques.

Controlled management of Life Force means no upset even though the person might have charge on someone or something.

Oh, hell... If a being takes all areas of his life to a no-charge condition he will feel WONDERFUL! I know. It's been done. That being won't necessarily accomplish much either.

Whose Life Force are we talking about? I don't know. It doesn't matter. Life Force is Life Force. Use it.

Controlled management of Life Force means change and prosperity.

The Life Force that flowed into and out of the Mission network was severely mismanaged. That means change (as in destruction) and no-prosperity for all concerned.

SNIPPED . . .

Back to the point: Charge is Life Force. What people have been calling charge is actually mismanaged, mangled, and tangled Life Force. It doesn't matter whose Life Force we are talking about or using. Get the management in place and that Life Force (charge) can be used constructively.

Good post, Ted,

Yes, to add another level of knowledge to what I posted, which Ted deals with, is the fact that there are in truth, TWO TYPES of charge.

1) Positive charge and life force that is under the knowing control of the Being . . . now that's a bright idea whose time has come, no? Totally missed by LRH

2) Negative charge/Life-Force that has gone out of or beyond the knowledge and control of the Being . . . and of course regards which the Being is generally totally irresponsible. And this is the type of charge/Life-Force that runs rampant causing strife.

It's this second type of charge, the negative charge, that folks benefit from addressing and converting back to positive.

And folks can also benefit from addressing their positive charge/Life-Force so as to upgrade and optimize their knowing control and responsible correct direction and use of such.

And the first step in that is the delineating of how it is expressed

Rog

 

[Blue Spirit]

Odds and Ends

Aye, Sir. Please go easy on me, I was only trying to help and now you have permanently damaged my reputation so that no one will ever take my Evals seriously again because I did not take into account CONTINUOUS SUPPRESSION FROM ABOVE in Evals which I never wrote. What, you say to quit nattering and find my misunderstood word or symbol. Aye Sir, please pass me that unabridged Dictionary on your desk and oh, do you have an extra demo kit available here in Ethics? I forgot to bring my own kit.
Lakey

Your story is accurate about Mary Sue and family. RogerB posted, I believe, that LRH's lawyers had been substituted with the enemy and started subverting things, Mary Sue was railroaded into jail with a deal made by the dirty lawyer.

Later these same guys forged the LRH will written while he was in effect in a coma and created the game leading to the CST and IRS.

Conspiracy is the order of the day on Earth.

Actually Lakey I did think of inviting you but it was too late yesterday. Sorry. Next time should work.

We had the same people on Thanksgiving and the comms were quite amazing,
centering around recovering past life clears, most of which come back.
Our secret guest is the world's expert on that.
I told him I was locking him in (I learned this by example from the CO$) until
he decided to register on ESMB. He said that would occur in March. Don't hold your breath !

What troubles me greatly is the capable people are not working within the time frame left on this planet. None are to my knowledge.
The SP's have essentially won the day.
LRH's warnings are unheeded and even laughed at (like Gadfly recently) so
this is just further examples of what Roger spoke of today above and more
evidence that about 98% of posters here are failed cases.
Many of those were not there in the earlier years when there was a chance
to have workable tech applied, therefore no reality occurred that it was possible.

I have decided to rescind your Ethics Cycle because your stats are in Power.

 

[Veda]

One tiny detail: Mary Sue was guilty, and guilty of more than just the items listed in the plea bargain (essentially), and her husband was guilty as hell.

Just one example: You or I do to someone what L. Ron Hubbard and his wife did to Paulette Cooper, and get caught doing it, and we'd be headed to prison for a long time.

Mary Sue served only a short time, and only related to 'Op Snow White', and her husband was never held accountable for his actions.

 

[SweetnessandLight]

Thanks for good thoughts on "charge"

-snip-
What troubles me greatly is the capable people are not working within the time frame left on this planet. None are to my knowledge.
The SP's have essentially won the day.
LRH's warnings are unheeded and even laughed at (like Gadfly recently) so
this is just further examples of what Roger spoke of today above and more
evidence that about 98% of posters here are failed cases.
Many of those were not there in the earlier years when there was a chance
to have workable tech applied, therefore no reality occurred that it was possible.

I have decided to rescind your Ethics Cycle because your stats are in Power.

Go Lakey!

Well, Bluey, here's a rather dark note to begin the new year on.... Don't postulate failure for yourself or others!!! Just don't go down that road...

Not another 2% rule, I can't stand it!!! To my way of thinking, we are all in various states and stages of handling and resolving our "case" at any given point in time. Some are greatly more advanced that others, but as long as we're still in a physical world with a corporeal body and mind, we are subject to the slings and arrows of outrageous fortune, as it were.

"What troubles me greatly is the capable people are not working within the time frame left on this planet. None are to my knowledge.
The SP's have essentially won the day." How do we know WHAT the timeframe is that we have left on this planet? We're not talking 2012 apocalypse here, are we?

Blue Spirit, I hope by this you mean inside the "church", and not on a global scale. Because I have lots of reality on capable people working on co-creating a better community in lots of wonderful ways, and really working to improve conditions for themselves and others. Physically and metaphysically.

Big hugs to Ted and Roger for their apt thoughts on charge and bpc.

More charge, less bypassed charge, for the New Year! That's my postulate for us all here on the board.

 

[CarmeloOrchards]

Charge is actually produced in present time, now. Let's repeat that with some emphasis: charge is produced in present time now.

Charge becomes by-passed charge when it is incorrectly handled, or not handled and left unhandled, and thus builds up as charge produced but remaining on the case to fester and get in the way of present time.

There are two levels of this. In the physical universe with its time stream we would view by-passed charge as having been produced in the past and hanging up to affect PT. In the spiritual universes prior to or outside of the physical universe, charge that is produced and by-passed simply sits in the continuum of our spiritual existence; it floats along with us affecting and interfering with our every endeavor.

The bad news about by-passed charge is that it screws up one's ability to interface correctly and deal with present time as it ought be dealt with . . . and this fact actually produces more charge in present time

And so, life can becomes a miserable affair . . . the kind of travail so common to most humans without any workable tech

So, on the above, Alan correctly observed and stated that: "Those with the heaviest by-passed charge are stuck in loss of games. By-passed charge by its very nature causes separation, individuation, distance and unreality."

En mass, many scientologists had inflicted on them a catastrophic "loss of game" in the period we are referring to as the "destruction of the mission network." Any scientologist who had a goal, dream and aspiration of a future, and who had it destroyed by the destructive carry-ons of the church has had a "loss of game phenomenan" inflicted on him or her.

The mechanics of it are that, when you had your goals, dreams, aspirations and future mocked up intact and operating you had enormous space and reach into future time with power and Life-Force directed and deployed into that future time and your operating space. But when those goals, dreams, aspirations and future mocked ups were betrayed or otherwise sabotaged by the church, it all came crashing down around you.

And that, my dears, is mega "accumulation of (misdirected) energy" in a one fell-swoop instant.

It is the reason so many betrayed by the church felt so "crushed." They were. They were crushed by the collapse of their own creations . . . creations that had contained so much colossal power and energy and Life-Force.

And the charge created by these events, not being correctly or fully handled for many became by-passed for and on them. And many still sit in it

Many, of course, handled the situation in various ways that enable them to continue on in the pursuit of their purposes, goals, dreams and aspirations, even if in amended form. Some might have even fully handled the "loss of game" and collapsed universe phenomena and its massive charge.

Individuals differ, of course.

In any event, Alan did develop the tech and R/D to fully handle the above.

That will be a subject for a later post as this one is already long.

RogerB

Roger,

I would like some advice on BPC in regard to two real people.

One is mid forties, never been audited, spends every nickel she can (I think it is because customers get respect), say $500 a pop. Has been on meds most of her life. Their house is a hoarders house. Three years ago it was all thrown away. Now it is back. I was thinking doing presence, and asking "what's happening?" etc when things pop up. Any other thoughts?


Another is a guy, been an auditor since 1950. Still audits. Left the Co$ on his own determinism. States frankly that the loss of the game is unauditable, can't touch it, etc. Thoughts?

 

[hbeer]

2010 - My Vision For The Future

Dear Friends,


I had a most beautiful vision of the future two days ago while talking with a friend.

I am sharing it here:

http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?t=15637



Have a wonderful year 2010 everybody!



Love,

 

[RogerB]

This is One of the Most Important Issues We Have to Address

Roger,

I would like some advice on BPC in regard to two real people.

One is mid forties, never been audited, spends every nickel she can (I think it is because customers get respect), say $500 a pop. Has been on meds most of her life. Their house is a hoarders house. Three years ago it was all thrown away. Now it is back. I was thinking doing presence, and asking "what's happening?" etc when things pop up. Any other thoughts?


Another is a guy, been an auditor since 1950. Still audits. Left the Co$ on his own determinism. States frankly that the loss of the game is unauditable, can't touch it, etc. Thoughts?

Well, sight unseen, my think on the above would be along these lines . . . of course, doing a perceive of the client and listening to what they say and what comes out of their mouth would really enable a more precise address

By the way, the BPC you want to address, is it yours or theirs?

On case #1, I don't see this as a BPC sit to handle, but mainly as a case sit. Yes the Presence One process could be applied, so could things like Objectives, SPIEPIR and/or a dose of good old SCS.

Meds, of course are a bit of a bitch

But, What about Presence Three? Get her description of what is going on/what she is doing, then ask her, "What Identity of Beingness would do (description of action)?" Then do the identity handling. Pay particular attention to the moods, feelings and sensations involved!

Also, this hoarding might resolve by addressing it as a solution to a problem. Like, "what problem does it solve?"

Also by addressing "connected to (her description of what it is) what pleasant sensation must be experienced?" Handle with good old "Experience/Create" . . . though she might need the undercut version "Part willing/part rather not . . ."

There are a number of other approaches . . . but since she is a never before audited case, these would be doable by her.

On case #2. So, he: "States frankly that the loss of the game is unauditable, can't touch it, etc."

Since he is an auditor he should be able to handle what comes up

Note that what he states is a "precept." You could use the "Precept handling" in Alan's Clean Slate R/D or even the full clean slate handling on the area.

I don't know what recent tech you've had available to you from the ranch, but there is the recent tech release under the title, "Thoughts Are Things Handling." It was incorporated in a case handling version of Clean Slate . . .
The key question being: "What precepts, beliefs or thoughts do you have about or from (thing/area being addressed)?" ANd then, there is a whole R/D to unlock the encysted running on automatic "thought."

You could also go straight in with "Connected to (area being handled) what precepts, beliefs or thoughts do you have?"

You see (and I know you do) thoughts, considerations and precepts like what he is running on will block any address to the area

It would have to be removed, then the area can be properly addressed if there is any further need.

And then, if needed, probably a shock handling or the Life Realignment Sequence would put the guy back is good shape and up out of the collapsed universe, game, dream, aspiration.

Shocks are a real killer. Many, many Scios experienced major shocks resulting in crashed universes, collapsed, lost games and catastrophic upsets, et al, when the church went negative and crazy.

Some folks are not fully recovered And by recovered, I mean their Life-Force fully re-empowered and restored under their full knowing control and being applied with full volition toward their own chosen and envisioned positive wants, dreams, aspirations.

Note that word "positive" there . . . many, as a result of the church abuse are on a negative goal of getting even, opposing, getting rid of, avoiding et al, anything except playing the game they really want.

One of the things LRH missed was the full recovering of the prior to the upset/caved-in goal, dream, aspiration and operating paradigm matrix the person was enjoying before the crash. LRH's BPC "Handling" tech really only "found and indicated the "BPC" item, let the guy itsa, and de-accessed the upset but did not take the action to put back in place the full operating game scenario that existed prior to the upset or crash.

Rog

 

[lkwdblds]

Happy New Year!

On Rog's above post, I just wish to acknowledge it. Much of it I am not familiar with due to never having studied Alan's methods but the last paragraph is easily assimilated by me and just off the top of my head makes an enormous amount of sense. Inadvertently runing out one's goals and dreams when handling By Passed Charge and then not putting them back in once the charge has been keyed out seems to be an ommission of great importance. A correction rundown, going back to those moments when BPC was handled and then putting back those pro survival mechanisms that were knocked out inadvertently would seem to this Class IV, to be a tremendous case booster for everyone!



MESSAGE FOR 2010, THINK BIG AND OUR DEEDS WILL GROW- I ATTENDED A NEW YEAR'S EVE PARTY LAST NIGHT IN L.A.. I got to meet Purple Haze and learned quite a bit more about her early history in Scientology. It contains some extremely interesting stuff but I can not reveal certain things without her permission.

There were two gentlemen there that would fit in nicely on this thread. They are exes and are veterans with a lot to say, new insights on the old days, etc.. Their earlier experience with Internet discussion groups gave them the impression that it was all primarily the spewing out of case and then just bashing various people who the victims felt were responsible.

I, with an assist from Purple Haze, assured them that this is not the case here. We discuss things with great intellect and do it with civility and comeraderie. We sold them that this is the case so John and Ken (Isn' t John and Ken some kind of morning ride talk show in L.A.?) took my contact information and promised to come on line very soon and post here.

A lot of people, several of them "well connected" have things to tell and are yearning to tell them but know of no way to get their message out to the right people. Most of these individuals, such as John, have their own websites, but not many people finding them and their message is not getting out.

Your humble correspondent Lakey, is now seeing hosting this Forum as something important, something that can make a difference. Imagine, an intellectually honest high level Forum where actual interchanges of real communication of importnt topics can be made and ARE being made. Furthermore, there is the LINK UP phenomena where participants on the board can Link Up via Personal Messages, E Mails, by phone, Skype or whatever. It is sort of a Grassroots movement type of thing which could start small and spread quickly across the world via the internet.

A pro-survival medium of cutting edge thoughts which elevates the tone levels of its members, who in turn elevate the tone of the entire ESMB, is already happening. With the added boost of Linking Up with other people similar to you, who knows how far something such as this could go?

Contrast this concept with what is broadcast to the publics of the world over the commercial driven Mass Media. Contrast it also with the higher institutions of learning, often but not always pretentding great Wisdom without actually possesing it and treating wisdom as a commodity reserved for only the few elite, and a commodity much too esoteric for public consumption.

I started posting here just to debrief my story, blow some charge off of my case, help others benefit from my experience and possibly reconnect with a few old friends. From that humble beginning, I am thinking of a grass roots movement of raising tone level by imparting truths into society which will enable many of the top minds of Earth to link up and make a significant difference in bettering conditions.

I agree with very little in the Sea Org anymore, but there was one maxim, expressed in a song about 10 years ago. "Think big and your deeds will grow, think small and you'll fall behind." I do subscribe to this one maxim of theirs.
Lakey

 

[purple haze]

C/S

Well, sight unseen, my think on the above would be along these lines . . . of course, doing a perceive of the client and listening to what they say and what comes out of their mouth would really enable a more precise address

By the way, the BPC you want to address, is it yours or theirs?

On case #1, I don't see this as a BPC sit to handle, but mainly as a case sit. Yes the Presence One process could be applied, so could things like Objectives, SPIEPIR and/or a dose of good old SCS.

Meds, of course are a bit of a bitch

But, What about Presence Three? Get her description of what is going on/what she is doing, then ask her, "What Identity of Beingness would do (description of action)?" Then do the identity handling. Pay particular attention to the moods, feelings and sensations involved!

Also, this hoarding might resolve by addressing it as a solution to a problem. Like, "what problem does it solve?"

Also by addressing "connected to (her description of what it is) what pleasant sensation must be experienced?" Handle with good old "Experience/Create" . . . though she might need the undercut version "Part willing/part rather not . . ."

There are a number of other approaches . . . but since she is a never before audited case, these would be doable by her.

On case #2. So, he: "States frankly that the loss of the game is unauditable, can't touch it, etc."

Since he is an auditor he should be able to handle what comes up

Note that what he states is a "precept." You could use the "Precept handling" in Alan's Clean Slate R/D or even the full clean slate handling on the area.

I don't know what recent tech you've had available to you from the ranch, but there is the recent tech release under the title, "Thoughts Are Things Handling." It was incorporated in a case handling version of Clean Slate . . .
The key question being: "What precepts, beliefs or thoughts do you have about or from (thing/area being addressed)?" ANd then, there is a whole R/D to unlock the encysted running on automatic "thought."

You could also go straight in with "Connected to (area being handled) what precepts, beliefs or thoughts do you have?"

You see (and I know you do) thoughts, considerations and precepts like what he is running on will block any address to the area

It would have to be removed, then the area can be properly addressed if there is any further need.

And then, if needed, probably a shock handling or the Life Realignment Sequence would put the guy back is good shape and up out of the collapsed universe, game, dream, aspiration.

Shocks are a real killer. Many, many Scios experienced major shocks resulting in crashed universes, collapsed, lost games and catastrophic upsets, et al, when the church went negative and crazy.

Some folks are not fully recovered And by recovered, I mean their Life-Force fully re-empowered and restored under their full knowing control and being applied with full volition toward their own chosen and envisioned positive wants, dreams, aspirations.

Note that word "positive" there . . . many, as a result of the church abuse are on a negative goal of getting even, opposing, getting rid of, avoiding et al, anything except playing the game they really want.

One of the things LRH missed was the full recovering of the prior to the upset/caved-in goal, dream, aspiration and operating paradigm matrix the person was enjoying before the crash. LRH's BPC "Handling" tech really only "found and indicated the "BPC" item, let the guy itsa, and de-accessed the upset but did not take the action to put back in place the full operating game scenario that existed prior to the upset or crash.

Rog

Very Well Done. The Shock Handling works wonders.