Is there any good in Scientology?

Discussion in 'Evaluating and Criticising Scientology' started by Wedinn, Dec 28, 2018.

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  1. The_Fixer

    The_Fixer Class Clown

    Yep, the institution was a minefield of abuse and ignorance back then, you'll get no argument from me there. There are horror stories from both sides of the Iron Curtain from these places.

    It has changed a lot since then, but Mental Health is not an exact science where everyone fits into neat and precise little slots. So there is still a long way to go.

    Which demonstrates that the field is willing to learn and evolve as needs. Scientology could never do either, so it still operates on a 1950s model which is largely debunked nowadays. It is also based on old school military style (the church), which isn't very conducive to anyone's mental health in a positive sense.

    That's my thoughts. I know from previous discussions that have happened between myself and others here with you that you are never going to let it go. That's your choice. However, it is a circular discussion that will never be closed and for myself, pointless to pursue.

    Peace to you Clay, I wish you all the best.

    BTW, sorry about the little dig at you earlier, I just couldn't resist it. Please take it in good humour as it was intended.
  2. Clay Pigeon

    Clay Pigeon Gold Meritorious Patron

    Dianetics and it's students are one of the most significant factors in psychiatric reform and for all the debunking many dianetic principles remain fresh and pertinent.



    They've built a cult at the center of CoS where the answer to all things is found in the words of Ron.

    No apology necessary. In my first new member intro I said I am an auditor and as unapologetic as I am about that No one need apologize to me for any comments directed at my beliefs or me.
  3. NoIdea

    NoIdea Patron with Honors

    there is a ton of good stuff in Scientology. also a ton of crap. be prepared to do some serious critical thinking. and realize that critical thinking will be forbidden. and the net value of the good stuff you do get is not worth the sacrifices you will make to be an active scientologist. the equation says: avoid.
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  4. Yes — and I suggest what is called The OT Library and That is just to start with ~ there is a set of volumes which has his entire collected written works and for what you are achieving already by posting here I strongly suggest The SHSBC ♦ Done on the deck of MV Freewinds you can have accommodations for only those who can handle truth → in 10 minutes I might be able to catalog ten of these things that I have been in ← this is a good one & I do not consider Pat Broker or the materials written by others to be a sufficient replacement for what others have suggested here as I breezed through THE ENTIRE ADVANCED MATERIALS that have the supposedly scary III Materials finding nothing new that I had not considered in what other practices describe as The Awakening ~ somewhat resembling a Cog { cognition in the literature } we have these somewhat occasional blowout moment which have HV Theta as an almost Pure Wave

    ♦ I looked for and never found Cannibals - in the formalized Scientology Practice though it is vaguely discussed inter-alia in HOM == I latched onto SOS like Clay Pigeon and have considered other works as Primate — such as 8-80 — but the current work as it is being directed by DM is only an REIT

    For example the 75 million year thing is the Kt Impact Crater and Wall of Fire can thus be found to be a very normal Paleontology study but the Routine 6 End Words gets in to or is said to be the Sedona thing which is the only thing that can even produce a somatic on me and this is a very-heavy one — that I have studied — and find Hubbard-s off-world pulp-fiction to be lacking for real value where it can be found ♦ Given that any explanation of BT in the context of Space Opera cannot be supported by what has occurred on this dust-ball; It can only be that exotics beyond what he authored are the true facts and that can be very heavy just like he says ○ such things as the Lockjaw produced by the machines described in exotic upper-indoc literature are — for me — mild comparable to the blowout that can be achieved by really discovering what is going on

    Hubbard is nothing all that special as a Melchizedek goes yet he is onto something
  5. Gib

    Gib Crusader

    having a conversation with you is about on the same level of having a conversation with Don Quixote, and I believe it would be the same with L Ron Hubbard, but he is dead.

    Your story, and dead L Ron Hubbard are the same.

    "The story follows the adventures of a noble (hidalgo) named Alonso Quixano who reads so many chivalric romances that he loses his sanity and decides to become a knight-errant (caballero andante), reviving chivalry and serving his country, under the name Don Quixote de la Mancha. He recruits a simple farmer, Sancho Panza, as his squire, who often employs a unique, earthy wit in dealing with Don Quixote's rhetorical orations on antiquated knighthood. Don Quixote, in the first part of the book, does not see the world for what it is and prefers to imagine that he is living out a knightly story."

    Key phrase being "rhetorical orations" and this:

    "does not see the world for what it is and prefers to imagine that he is living out a knightly story."
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  6. Clay Pigeon

    Clay Pigeon Gold Meritorious Patron

    Don't know as I'd ever claim to see the world as it is but I've every right to live out a knightly story both by blood and by conviction.

    I'm a Birdwood. Our family geneology traces to the Domesday Book and I am a scion, for better and for worse, of a long line of British knights. General Sir William Birdwood was a highly regarded general of The Great War. The wisdom of scripture, our Constitution and the common good have ledme to stand in harm's way an the multiple scars I wear were not the product of rhetoric
  7. Clay Pigeon

    Clay Pigeon Gold Meritorious Patron

    Never mind the cannibals...

    Go for the cannabis!!!
  8. Gib

    Gib Crusader

    myself, I'm a Furian, defiant to the end, not of this planet.

    I bow to no man.

  9. Clay Pigeon

    Clay Pigeon Gold Meritorious Patron

    As a knightsblood American I stand that none be forced to bow.
  10. strativarius

    strativarius Inveterate gnashnab & snoutband

    Yes, and your illustrious forebear would be turning in his grave if he could read that for bringing the good name of Birdwood into disrepute I fancy.
  11. DagwoodGum

    DagwoodGum Squirreling Dervish

    As everything "good" in Scientology invariably leads to much more that is "bad" the conclusion would be that nothing in Scientology is good or at least purely good.
    The good that you think you've found is no more than bait arranged carefully to entrap you further into the core of the onion that is Scientology.
  12. The_Fixer

    The_Fixer Class Clown

    Interesting. This thread is 11 pages long.

    Wonder how many pages it takes to say "No!".

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  13. Gib

    Gib Crusader

    Clay Pigeon,

    likes to invoke discussions of "much ado about nothing" and read the counter arguments only to create more discussion.
  14. Little David

    Little David Gold Meritorious Patron

    Scientology is a good example of how a mentally ill, conscience free, con artist can become rich and relatively famous.

    However, it seems that some exes still seek a replacement for LRH's like in their lives.
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