Yep, the institution was a minefield of abuse and ignorance back then, you'll get no argument from me there. There are horror stories from both sides of the Iron Curtain from these places. It has changed a lot since then, but Mental Health is not an exact science where everyone fits into neat and precise little slots. So there is still a long way to go. Which demonstrates that the field is willing to learn and evolve as needs. Scientology could never do either, so it still operates on a 1950s model which is largely debunked nowadays. It is also based on old school military style (the church), which isn't very conducive to anyone's mental health in a positive sense. That's my thoughts. I know from previous discussions that have happened between myself and others here with you that you are never going to let it go. That's your choice. However, it is a circular discussion that will never be closed and for myself, pointless to pursue. Peace to you Clay, I wish you all the best. BTW, sorry about the little dig at you earlier, I just couldn't resist it. Please take it in good humour as it was intended.