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Anti-Scientology Fair Game

Discussion in 'Fair Game and Disconnection Victims' started by Alanzo, Sep 11, 2019.

  1. He-man

    He-man Hero extraordinary

    I'm not sure how gas lighting me will do you any good.

    Is this you role playing being an actual Ethics officer? I can totally dig in to that man.
     
  2. StatPush

    StatPush Patron

    Serious, Out Ethics, I'm not poking fun. This stuff can getting pretty emotional. Everyone needs to take a break and chill.
     
  3. Out Effix

    Out Effix Out Ethics Ex Ethics Officer

    Well Stat Push - you did not come across that way - you were acting rather rude to me.


    I don't think we have a moderator that is helping protect this board but is protecting a guy who is out to destroy it. This board is here to help newbies and lurkers. Am I right? Emma became friendly with Alanzo when she was vulnerable and he was "nice" to her.

    Now Alanzo is taking over the board.

    Alanzo has 21% of all posts on the first page of EXSMB. The threads are filled with hate and confusion about Ex Scientologists who are doing something productive about exposing Scientology and its criminal acts. Alanzo's actions are that of OSA yet the moderator sticks head in sand.

    I am serious about all of this and then you disperse my posts with drivel that makes no sense.

    I am revealing some stuff here that will help the newbie and the lurker. Are you going to contribute or continue to attack and poke at me?

    I can poke right back and my pokes can get pretty pokey.
     
    Last edited: Sep 23, 2019
  4. Type4_PTS

    Type4_PTS Diamond Invictus SP

    I don't recall Leah or anyone saying that "the church believes in paedophilia". Does anyone have a link to her exact quote? Or a link to the particular video where she addressed this (and hopefully at what time in the video)?

    Clearly, the "church" DOES believe in covering up paedophilia. For a Scientologist to discover that his child was molested, it would be considered a Suppressive Act for them to pick up the phone and call the police.

    And Scientologists are indoctrinated to believe that children are "thetans in small bodies" and they're often treated not as children, but as adults. That can be a contributing factor towards someone becoming abusive towards them.

    I'm not OK with giving anyone a free pass. But doing a smear campaign on someone utilizing bold faced lies and logical fallacies is not honest criticism. You wouldn't want that done to you, would you?
    How would you feel if Emma allowed that to take place on ESMB and you were the target?
     
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  5. StatPush

    StatPush Patron

    Just wanted to point out that it is not I complaining about things "not making sense", but you. You can try using your Scn Study Tech, if that works for you. However, I will take a pass on the recommendation.
     
  6. Out Effix

    Out Effix Out Ethics Ex Ethics Officer

    He-man. Once again, please word clear "gas lighting" and use it in several sentences.

    Scientology Gaslights

    OSA Gaslights

    Because I say your posts are not clear does not = Gaslighting.

    You need to get a twin and get a star rate on Gaslighting and how OSA Operates please before I contribute or read any more posts from you.
     
  7. Out Effix

    Out Effix Out Ethics Ex Ethics Officer

    No StatPush - you are not clear with your writing. Once again, you twist the truth to suit your confusion.
     
  8. Out Effix

    Out Effix Out Ethics Ex Ethics Officer

    LOL StatPush - that was a little joking and degrading tech.

    Very Well Done :)
     
  9. He-man

    He-man Hero extraordinary

    Thanks. I'll pass. Unless you can do the work for me and find me a beautiful woman who is single, to be my twin.

    I do believe that polarizing posters into two separate groups and then following that up by describing the three people you put together as making no sense and being confused, as gas-lightning. I wouldn't characterize it as bad as done by others. But there you have it.

    It's an ad hom, and seeing that you demand the respect to be heard and listened to, I'd like some of that too.
     
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  10. JustSheila

    JustSheila Crusader

    You keep posting that and repeating it like some sort of meditative mantra, but you do know it’s impossible for that statement to be true, right?

    Even if we pretend along with you that Mike Rinder wasn’t demoted and put in The Hole and pretend he never held any other posts, OSA was created in 1983. Mike Rinder left Scientology in 2007. He wasn’t C/O OSA from beginning to end.
     
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  11. Type4_PTS

    Type4_PTS Diamond Invictus SP

    Who is your source of information on this? :unsure:

    You do know that over a dozen people made reports to the FBI don't you?

    As per Graham Berry's petition to the White House, 300+ reports of recent crimes and atrocities were made. Up until this point the FBI has not acted, unless they are currently engaged in an investigation we are unaware of (which is possible).

    Just curious, what would be an example of a "head-shot" he can deliver?
     
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  12. StatPush

    StatPush Patron

    I agree T4, its effectively church policy to cover-up crimes. And I can see how the attitudes towards children can act to "lessen the overt". I think we're on the same page.

    Here's a quote from Leah:
    “Scientology policy dictates that children are grown men and women in little bodies. They believe a 7-year-old girl should not shudder at being passionately kissed. That's in ‘Dianetics,’" Remini told The Hollywood Reporter.
    https://www.foxnews.com/entertainme...logy-and-the-aftermath-renewed-for-3rd-season

    Regarding a smear campaign...sorry, I don't follow you. The thrust of my post on Mike Rinder was not to smear him. I just don't see him as God's Gift to Anti-Scn. I respect the work he has done; seen every episode of Aftermath; regularly read his blog. But, I haven't lost sight of the fact he ran OSA for 22 years. That's a lot of hurt.

    Bold faced lies? Logical fallacies? Please explain.
     
  13. JustSheila

    JustSheila Crusader

    @StatPush
    Here is a quote from Mike Rinder and his interview about his various posts at OSA:

    “I can’t be credited with creating OSA, but I was certainly there when it happened. And within a short period of time I became the head of OSA,” Rinder told me recently. “These people [at the GO] had done a bunch of kooky things. Myself and a bunch of other people had the idea that we had to start doing things the right way and not the wrong way.”

    For more than 20 years, Rinder was
    involved in and led OSA before he left Scientology in 2007. He played a role overseeing Scientology’s legal affairs, he ran an office that employed private investigators, and he eventually also became the church’s chief spokesman.

    https://www.villagevoice.com/2011/09/14/the-top-25-people-crippling-scientology-no-8-mike-rinder/

    He clearly was not C/O OSA for 22 years. He had many posts in that time. Do you not understand something about Scientology posts and transfers? Very few people stay on one post for long, particularly in the Sea Org. Posts and duties are separated and differentiated in such a way that one normally does not know the details of what their peers or those in other departments are doing.
     
  14. StatPush

    StatPush Patron

    From Mike's web site:

    Representing the Church of Scientology in External Affairs
    In 1981 I began what would become a lengthy history working on “external affairs” when I was sent on the first “Obs Mission” to the Guardian’s Office at World Wide (WW) at St Hill, followed by a long series of Sea Org Missions to disband the GO, both at WW (St. Hill in England) and the USGO in Los Angeles. I subsequently held various posts in Special Project and then the Office of Special Affairs (OSA) the external facing arm of scientology – from Legal Aide to CO OSA US to CO OSA Int and Watchdog Committee (WDC) for OSA. During this time I also held other posts, LRH PPRO International, various other WDC posts and CO CMO Int. But the vast majority of time was in OSA. From the early 90’s I became the primary international spokesperson for the church.
    https://www.mikerindersblog.org/mike-rinder-bio/

    With respect to OSA...
    Its head is Mike Rinder (right), a longtime Scientologist and ally of David Miscavige. In the early 1980s he helped to push through the dismemberment of the GO (coyly described as "a series of projects designed to reorganize the legal and public affairs representation of the Church"). He was rewarded in 1985 with the job of looking after all Church legal and public affairs in the United States, a role extended in 1987 to cover external Church affairs internationally as head of OSA International (OSA Int. for short).
    http://www.xenu.net/archive/go/osahist.htm
     
  15. Type4_PTS

    Type4_PTS Diamond Invictus SP

    Yes, on that, we are. :thumbsup:


    Thank-you but I'd actually like to see the actual quote directly from Leah (preferably on video). What Fox New wrote may be the actual quote, but I've seen too many times where media outlets altered a quote from someone. I've had it happen to me. (I'll try to find it myself later, but if anyone has a video link, please post it)

    For sure all Scientologists don't believe that "a 7-year old girl should not shudder at being passionately kissed". Apparently LRH did believe it, or at least he wrote it. There's something I find pretty disturbing about that line. :ohmy:


    I didn't mean by my comment on a smear campaign that you were running such a campaign. But there certainly has been a campaign run on ESMB the past month or so.

    I'm referring to many of Alanzo's postings here since he's been back. If I have time before the board closes I'll explain in detail, although I've posted about it on a number of occasions.

    Alternatively, you can........


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    :cool:
     
  16. JustSheila

    JustSheila Crusader

    Exactly. He worked at various posts (jobs) at OSA. He was C/O OSA for part of that time. He was not C/O OSA for 22 years. Is English a second language for you?
     
  17. freethinker

    freethinker Sponsor

    Because there is one brought here by Alanzo and Gerry appears to be behind it. OK, let's say Mike did for argument sake, what is the point of going on and ona about it? Unless you have evidence or witnesses it's just blowing smoke and annoying everyone one else.

    Alanzo has taken a side. Apparently Gerry has taken a side, I take no side in this matter, so to say I am scheming in the shadows is just a presumption on your part.

    Does the "statement of fact" have to be reintroduced on multiple threads with the same war cry over and over. Emma got sick and tired of Gib asking the same question but Alanzo is different?

    When its on a half a dozen threads or more and constantly repeated it is no longer a mere statement, but a war cry.
    What's abhorrent is the excessive TR4ing the same thing expecting someone to go, "Yeah, let's get Mike to spit out his crimes that he hasn't mentioned in 12 years", but actually has.
     
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  18. freethinker

    freethinker Sponsor

    You haven't made one. What is your case?
     
  19. freethinker

    freethinker Sponsor

    But he managed to get a response through on Warrior's question even though it didn't answer the question. How did he do that, and so quickly?
     
  20. freethinker

    freethinker Sponsor

    I have personally seen 11 year olds holding executive positions in Scientology. I delivered a package to one at the Guaranty Building. It was a really nice office too.

    It's a fact that Scientology has a cadet org.

    It's a fact that they had kids babysitting kids as nannies while SO staff did their posts

    It's a fact Hubbard had kids as messengers for his private messages

    It's a fact that Scientology lies about its services and intent. If Scientology could deliver what was promised they would having people flocking to receive services and the orgs really would be booming but that isn't happening, nor will it.

    That Paedophilia could be going on is not a far stretch of the imagination and I have read some stories here about underage molestation happening at the Mace Kingsley Ranch more than once.


    It's a fact that people have gone psychotic on Scientology practices.

    It's a fact that Scientology delivers the Purification Rundown without qualified and licensed medical people overseeing it.

    You want people to go after Mike Rinder on a presumption but we are using lies when Scientology's track record is so abysmal.

    Sounds to me like you are defending the church and saying go after Mike instead.