David Miscavige's abuses and violence

[I told you I was trouble]

I agree. I know that incredible control is put over people in the Sea Org, and there's always the threat of losing family and friends through disconnection, but if anyone tried to make me clean a floor or anything with my tongue....well....I would've kicked him in the head. Someone out at Int. needs to finally "man up" and just punch DM's fuckin' lights out! Geeeeez!

In principal I agree completely but when you are in the SO it's surreal, it's terrifying actually.

You're not in a position to do anything other than what you are being ordered to do, and it must be done right then and there without a moments 'comm lag' ... time and space to think is no longer yours and every moment is controlled apart from the few hours you have to sleep ... it's a truly suppressive environment even when you are not in a 'low condition'.

Having said that, I 'like to think' that I too would have refused to lick floors, but I recall that all of my energy was being used to try and stay relatively sane and to retain some kind of ownership of my true self.

Phew.

 

[Auditor's Toad]

What you are describing is so true. The "enturbulation" of beings for their own good.

True for Scientology as a whole. And true for even the core tech of auditing.

And true for an "auditing com cycle" wherein the auditor asks a question ("whatsit" line) that is supposed to restimulate the person's reactive mind. So that the pc can put in his "itsa-maker" line and thereafter "itsa" the charge and "blow" it.

Good theory.

Except Scientology doesn't know how to "blow" the charge.

So all they are left with, eventually, is an "enturbulated" (restimulated) person. When people can't "blow" the charge they "blow" the cult.

Since there is no Clear and there is no OT, Scientologists are just being sent on a fishing expedition into their mind. That's not good.

Scientology, in its entirety, is simply an auditing com cycle without an EP.

Scientology, in its entirety, is simply an auditing com cycle without an EP.


HH, may I steal that line and add it to my siggy? Pretty please ? With sugar & cream on top ?

BTW, that whole post was so good I got my spouse to come read it. That is the 4 th ever post I've asked my spouse to read ( The other 3 were also yours ).

I appreciate your posts as through them you have helped me peel my own fat onion faster... and better.

My sincere thanks !

 

[Auditor's Toad]

Like most everyone on this board....I'd left before I heard of :

Children alone in the chain locker on the Apollo.

The 50 year old man pushing the peanut around the decks of the Apollo with his wife and child ub tears watching.

Uwe being kept on the RPF in the condition he was in until he died.

Heber over 7 being in the hole - and what has gone on in the hole. The showers by hose, using the batroom outside into a plastic bag.

David Mayo running aroung the tree in the desert pretty much everyday all day.

People being physically struck.

And there is such a long list of horrors & crimes.

My endless question will always be " Why didn't I know "?

Coupled with, of course, look what my money made possible.

Can't get away from I bought in hook, line, sinker, & pole, too !

 

[HelluvaHoax!]

Scientology, in its entirety, is simply an auditing com cycle without an EP.


HH, may I steal that line and add it to my siggy? Pretty please ? With sugar & cream on top ?

Steal away!

 

[Auditor's Toad]

Thank you !
You will notice my posts now all quote you.

DAMN ! I LOVE my new siggy !

 

[HelluvaHoax!]

Like most everyone on this board....I'd left before I heard of :

Children alone in the chain locker on the Apollo.

The 50 year old man pushing the peanut around the decks of the Apollo with his wife and child ub tears watching.

Uwe being kept on the RPF in the condition he was in until he died.

Heber over 7 being in the hole - and what has gone on in the hole. The showers by hose, using the batroom outside into a plastic bag.

David Mayo running aroung the tree in the desert pretty much everyday all day.

People being physically struck.

And there is such a long list of horrors & crimes.

My endless question will always be " Why didn't I know "?

Coupled with, of course, look what my money made possible.

Can't get away from I bought in hook, line, sinker, & pole, too !

Slaves running around trees in the desert, imprisoned in chain lockers, licking bathroom floors.......

And writing success stories about it!

I hate to admit it, but in order to achieve that "product" and get people to do that, there actually must be some kinda "tech" in there somewhere! LOL.

 

[Auditor's Toad]

Slaves running around trees in the desert, imprisoned in chain lockers, licking bathroom floors.......

And writing success stories about it!

I hate to admit it, but in order to achieve that "product" and get people to do that, there actually must be some kinda "tech" in there somewhere! LOL.

Hmmm. Degraded tech... I'll have to think about that.

I'd forgotten about licking the bathroom floors.
If some squirt tried to get me to do that I'd open a big can of Whup Ass em.

 

[Karen#1]

Because I am very short on time today, I cannot actually write Part III on Tom DeVocht but wanted to post these few paragraphs from Mr Webb, a former Staff MAA at the Flag Land Base in Clearwater.

I highly resent the Church lie that they do not use folder data as blackmail because they do. It is the the DNA and fabric of the Church to fleece you for $$$$ to buy auditing, (where you confess) and this will be later used for blackmail.

This was previously posted by "Mr Webb." Worth a Read.​

Mr. Webb | May 7, 2010 at 7:55 am | Reply

Is it really not known that ALL staff sessions are recorded at FLB? (Flag Land BASE) All sessions at AO HGC’s? L’s? All ethics interviews except in two interview rooms (they had to use tape recorders in these)?

Is it not known that there are ethics file “summaries” done on staff who are getting Comm Ev’s, doing any of the confidential training, getting an exec post? Is it not known that there are at least 30 page writeups in each Class XII’s current ethics files, detailing out-ethics and out-tech they committed? Mostly, miscalling F/N’s.

Is it not known that these data are not only used to blackmail but used to cave in a person directly? Used to get the person to agree on something?

I hated this but I let it go, I did it. You know the command intention… Here is my confession with a justification.

I gave you an example as to extent of this. We had a certain FSO staff member, flubbing on post. Pissed RTC off. They got me to handle. I did the ethics interview, got him to crew HGC to be handled. I knew this was not overts. More like a messed up case. Standard CS handling was Sec Check. Poor guy went down the spiral.

I got videos of these sessions, reports, everything. One overt was that this individual had smelled his aunt’s underwear when he was 13. He is over 45 now. Yes, this overt was used by the RTC terminal who ran me to ridicule this certain person so many times in front of his co-workers and wife. “You know, Blah, you are useless, can’t produce jack, you know why? Because you are a sick pervert who likes to smell ….!” And similar.

Recording is very prevalent at FLB. Use of the data is also.

Last thing regarding Tom Cruise. I had a very good comm line with his family. I know that they have absolutely no idea that any sessions are being recorded or what really goes on behind the scenes.

Mr. Webb​

 

[Karen#1]

Tom DeVocht joined the "Sea organization" at 12 years old little dreaming that he would hurl himself over the iron gate to Freedom to escape 28 years later.

Tom, was back and forth to Clearwater from INT Base/Gold Base over the years.
In the early 2000s, he noted a drastic change in mood and tone. People he had known for years
at Gold Base could not look him in the eye. It felt like the aftermath of a war zone.

The Sea Org members looked battered, shell shock, beaten, abused. It was mentally troubling to be around a bunch of people so whipped psychologically that it was disturbing They looked like robots. Everyone craved Miscavige's favoritism because it was SURVIVAL or DEATH (slow torture) if you were out of favor.

In a strange never-never land (could only happen in the "Church" of Scientology")
in Tom's Suppressive Person Declare, he was charged with the exact same issues that he had previously received commendations for !

The retaliation and revenge of the dark criminal side of the organization went into full swing after Tom's departure.

Hate pages were created on Tom on the internet full of venom and deep hostility and loathing. His neighbors were visited by Private Investigators in an effort to cause him trouble in his neighborhood. When he ran a kiosk in 2010 and 2011 and hired a bunch of temporary staff (employees) the "Church of Scientology" Private Investigators offered Tom's Staff IPADs and IPODs in exchange for ratting on Tom, any intelligence they could give "Office of Special Affairs".​

~~~ to be continued

 

[Gottabrain]

Tom DeVocht joined the "Sea organization" at 12 years old little dreaming that he would hurl himself over the iron gate to Freedom to escape 28 years later...to be continued​

Thank you for coming back to this thread and posting more testimony, Karen.

Tom's story is a horrific example of the self-serving, maniacal hypocrisies of the cult.​

 

[Veda]

Tom DeVocht joined the "Sea organization" at 12 years old little dreaming that he would hurl himself over the iron gate to Freedom to escape 28 years later.

Tom, was back and forth to Clearwater from INT Base/Gold Base over the years.
In the early 2000s, he noted a drastic change in mood and tone.

-snip-
​

~~~ to be continued

L. Ron Hubbard began the use of children (and a 12 year is a child) in the Sea Org in the 1960s. It was child exploitation and child abuse in service to a cult leader. It was sick and wrong from the very beginning.

 

[Karen#1]

Thank you for coming back to this thread and posting more testimony, Karen.

Tom's story is a horrific example of the self-serving, maniacal hypocrisies of the cult.

Thank you Sheila.
I must say your story had emotional impact on me and you told it well.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VZobhTH0daM

I know you were always grateful for the kindness of Sandy Wilhere, veteran Sea org member, so I wanted to share this image of Sandy Wilhere and Alexander Jentzsch in happier times.

 

[Gottabrain]

Thank you Sheila.
I must say your story had emotional impact on me and you told it well.

I know you were always grateful for the kindness of Sandy Wilhere, veteran Sea org member, so I wanted to share this image of Sandy Wilhere and Alexander Jentzsch in happier times.

Thank you, Karen.

There were auditors and C/Ses who had guts and the courage to stand up to abuses and the cult dictator(s). Sandy was one of them. You are one of them.

 

[Karen#1]

There is almost no Executive in Scientology Inc. that has not hit the skids and been brutalized.
It is true that almost all who contributed in the 60s and 70s were declared Suppressive Person.
The case history of Vicki Aznaran is an interesting one.
She was posted as David Miscavige's right hand. Inspector General of the RTC.
That is, til he turned on her. I will post pieces of her story so that the sheer brutality inflicted on her is known.
Perpertrated by David Miscavige

Here is an image I shot of David Miscaige kidding around showing us a "Wanted" post of Heber Jentzsch.
Vicki Aznaran is in the white shirt, her husband Rick is beside her and Terri Gamboa is to the left.

Vicki was posted at the top of the structure. The only person higher than "Inspector General" was David Miscavige. Vicki had privileges no other Sea Org member could have. She had 2 fabulous German Shepherds with long coats of hair ~~ real pedigree ~~ I often wondered what happened to them when the
purges of members disloyal to Miscagive occurred.

They had their own cages and running area at GOLD Base.

Vicki was trusted to do very important assignments. Trusted withe deepest darkest Church maneuvers to avoid paying taxes and avoiding being sued, Vicki was sent on Mission in 1981. It was her responsibility to remove the assets, the money $$$$$$$$$$$ of the "Church" of Scientology of California to oversees Trusts. The sole reason for this is so that the United States Government could not access the money. At this time, sham corporations were set up, Larry Brennan has previously posted the whole devious smoke and mirrors ~
http://larrybren.blogspot.com/

In a nutshell, the "church worries about its huge assets, gouged relentlessly from its hapless victims, who are continuously milked for every dime they have, plus persuaded to take on credit card debt. Huge sums of money lie around in different accounts.

The worry is that a major law suit could grab the assets. Therefore, the "Church of Scientology" is fractured into hundreds of pieces and the assets of one Church theoretically cannot be accessed if it belongs to another Church.

Example : Lisa Mcpherson dies a tortured death, but only the Church of Scientology, Flag Service Org can be sued. Monies in the "IAS" or "Church of Scientology International" cannot be touched. They are "different" organizations, even though they structurally are managed by the same team and same criminal David Miscagive.

I have abbreviated the convolution down to a small few words, but essentially that's what "Corporate -sort-out- Mission accomplished.

When Vicki expressed some major disagreement in 1982 ~ she was ordered to INT Base/Gold Base " and for approximately 120 days, (4 months) she was forced to participate in the 'running program.' The running program required Vicki to run around an orange telephone pole from 7:00 a.m. to 9:30 p.m .... with ten minute rests every one-half hour, and thirty minute breaks for lunch and dinner."

Vicki was subjected to a lot more torture before her escape.
~~To be continued

Karen de la Carriere
[email protected]

 

[Veda]

There is almost no Executive in Scientology Inc. that has not hit the skids and been brutalized.
It is true that almost all who contributed in the 60s and 70s were declared Suppressive Person.

-snip-

Many of them by L. Ron Hubbard, who, although he was hiding behind the CMO in the early 1980s, still sanctioned the mass SP Declares of the early 1980s.

Hubbard established the meme that Miscavige is continuing.

 

[Karen#1]

Talking about Vicki Aznaran's enforced and torturous enforcement of running around a pole more than 12 hours a day reminded me of recent Church rebuttal spoken a couple of weeks ago to Business Insider
Karin Pouw Media relations Office of Special Affairs spouting LIES LIES LIES every day.
It's all she does.....

Here's the link on her status​

http://www.scientologynews.org/contact.html

Here's Karin Pouw defending the "Running Program" to Business Insider.​

As anyone can see, it is obviously not “a Scientologist being punished in the desert” and such a statement would be defamatory. The picture shows a person running on a well manicured running track in a lushly landscaped area. I even see a seating area with what looks like wooden benches. The person running is participating in a spiritual program which is part of the Scientology religion and covered in our Scripture. Many members of the Church choose to do this program voluntarily and for his or her spiritual fulfillment. This particular picture has been floating around the internet for years and is not news.

Your question reflects a lack of religious tolerance that is, unfortunately, all too common in some media sources. Scientology is a relatively new religion and, while our religious practices are not as well known as other more established religions, we are seeking spiritual salvation. We work hard to answer common questions and put the information on our website at http://www.scientology.org and also our media center at http://www.scientologynews.org.

But back to the picture: there is no story here and I suspect you are being told wild stories from a small group of apostates who only seek to infect media with false and sensational allegations in order to further their religious-hate agenda. If you were given a picture of someone taking Communion from a Catholic apostate would that be “a Catholic being punished through forced feeding?” And would that be something the Business Insider would publish?

Reference http://www.businessinsider.com/this...ed-in-the-desert-is-chilling-2012-8#ixzz23sD7

Yes, we all did the "Running program" voluntarily !

Tell you what Karen Pouw, you run around a pole 12 hours a day with swelling ankles and knees buckling and let me know what "Spiritual Gain" you get.
It was sadistic punishment, and it has been a tool of punishment for 30 years,
I predict that one day the Running Program (currently suspended from INT/BASE Gold /Base ) will have a catastrophic result like Narconon Oklahoma, then we will all learn how "spiritual" it is.

 

[Gottabrain]

... Trusted with the deepest darkest Church maneuvers to avoid paying taxes and avoiding being sued, Vicki was sent on Mission in 1981. It was her responsibility to remove the assets, the money $$$$$$$$$$$ of the "Church" of Scientology of California to oversees Trusts. The sole reason for this is so that the United States Government could not access the money. At this time, sham corporations were set up, Larry Brennan has previously posted the whole devious smoke and mirrors ~
http://larrybren.blogspot.com/

In a nutshell, the "church worries about its huge assets, gouged relentlessly from its hapless victims, who are continuously milked for every dime they have, plus persuaded to take on credit card debt. Huge sums of money lie around in different accounts.

The worry is that a major law suit could grab the assets. Therefore, the "Church of Scientology" is fractured into hundreds of pieces and the assets of one Church theoretically cannot be accessed if it belongs to another Church.
Karen de la Carriere
[email protected]

Thank you, Karen, for your testimony and for putting this together. It is perfectly accurate, and corresponds with my own testimony, right down to the time frame of 1981, of the tens of millions of dollars in international transfers from various churches I saw quickly going in and out of the USGO accounts to international accounts.

I am an eyewitness to the accuracy of your account.



Sheila

 

[Veda]

Thank you, Karen, for your testimony and for putting this together. It is perfectly accurate, and corresponds with my own testimony, right down to the time frame of 1981, of the tens of millions of dollars in international transfers from various churches I saw quickly going in and out of the USGO accounts to international accounts.

I am an eyewitness to the accuracy of your account.



Sheila

Yes, every additional voice is a plus.

Karen's statements confirm what has been known for a long time.

An excerpt from Russell Miller's interview of David Mayo, Class XII, from August 1986, concerning events from the late 1970s:

"He [Hubbard] told me he was obsessed with an insatiable lust for power and money. He said it very emphatically. He thought it wasn't possible to get enough. He didn't say it as if it was a fault, just his frustration that he couldn't get enough."


For those curious about this time period, and Scientology's financial shenanigans of the period, these chapters from the 1987 book 'Messiah or Madman?' by Bent Corydon, Class VIII, may be of interest.

The relevant chapters are:

15. Hubbard in Hiding: The Secret Desert Command Post

16. The Savior Lives Just Down the Road!

....

18. Hubbard's "Billion Dollar Caper"

19. The Savior's Revenge


There is also commentary by Homer Shomer on the 1999 BBC Secret Lives program, about L. Ron Hubbard, that addresses illegal money transfers.


I am curious about the wanted poster that Miscavige is holding up. Was this from 1988, when Heber was arrested in Spain?

 

[Gottabrain]

Yes, every additional voice is a plus.

Karen's statements confirm what has been known for a long time.
...

Yes, but others gave different time frames when all the monies were transferred out that were wrong.

AND - if Larry Wollersheim were to ever be able to open his case again, regardless of where the monies have been transferred since, the bulk of those monies I saw transferred were from CSC. His settlement was based on a percent of the monies in those accounts and since they were illegally transferred and false dox and statements given by COS execs of the monies at the time - a big chunk of that money would/should actually belong to him.

A big chunk also belongs to the Hubbard family.

I hope there will be a time when they and others receive monetary compensation for what COS stole.

Those monies can be recovered from those accounts if linked to trafficking or other illegal international crimes.

 

[Veda]

Yes, but others gave different time frames when all the monies were transferred out that were wrong.

-snip-

I'll have to check that out, but it doesn't appear that the time frames here are much different from others I've seen. In any event, I'll let Karen get on with her thread.