From sickness comes NOTS?

Flag-2005

Patron with Honors
:guyfawkes:

"However, in September of 1978, LRH has another major incident with
his health. It's unclear as to whether or not he had had a heart attack
or a stroke, but we do know that David Mayo, who was at that time the
Senior CS Flag, was summoned from Flag to Rifle to audit LRH on assists
and other actions. " ....

"LRH's folders were reviewed and an assist program was written. Ron
was conscious at that time, but just barely, and could just barely
speak. The assists went on for some weeks and LRH quite rapidly
recovered. I think it's interesting to note that from those assists
came the seeds that eventually became NOTS. " ....

"April 1979, David Mayo, who is at that time the Senior C/S
International, is stationed at Gilman Hot Springs. He's called to come
to X to again give assists and auditing to Ron. Ron has had a cancer
operation on the front of his head and needs to have some assists as
anyone would I suppose if they had an operation. The two worked
together, doing the assists and later on refining the NOTS procedure." ....

"In February 1980, David Mayo and LRH are in constant communication.
Ron is now working on this Solo NOTS and is sending the folders and the
daily sessions back and forth to David Mayo for him to see, David is
also acting as Ron's review auditor on occasion when that's necessary.
They have a few face to face meetings during this period of time but at
this moment the Tampa Grand Jury is about to convene, LRH and the
Broekers take off for parts unknown and that was the last time they were
ever seen. " ....

"In April of 1982, LRH became concerned about his own passing. He
sent letters to certain key Sea Org personnel, including a letter to
David Mayo, passing his technical hat for technical purity and research
to David for the period while LRH would be away that would be picking up
a new body and growing to adulthood for twenty or twenty five years."

ZEGEL - 2 January 1984

Man this reads like a spy, mystery, thriller ... SO evolutions, Click here.

Was he attacked by his darkest BTs?

Why did Mayo formulate what he did out of this?

Here are the Zegal tapes

http://www.xenutv.com/panels/zegel-1.htm
 
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Veda

Sponsor
Emotional and physical collapses preceded both Hubbard's "discovery" of OT 3 and NOTs. In each instance, Hubbard conceived of invisible influences poking at him, causing him problems, and making him ill.

Just as Hubbard had made all Scientologists "PTS type 3" with his "OT 3" in 1967, he was going to do it again, in 1979/80 with "NOTs."

"PTS Type Three," from 'HCOB' 24 November 1965:

"The type three PTS is mostly in institutions or would be. On this case the type two's apparent SP is spread all over the world and is often more than all the people there are - for the person sometimes has ghosts about him or demons and they are just more apparent SPs but imaginary as beings as well."

Both OT 3 and NOTs regard any possible spiritual phenomena in the person's vicinity as a problem.

There was no second Xenu in the NOTs materials, however, soon to follow were Hubbard's writings on ancient psychiatrists and the psych-induced dwindling spiral.


There's a history of Hubbard appointing people to various (real or imagined) "posts." For example, in the 1960s, Hubbard had outlined his plans for a world government, and had "appointed" Reg Sharpe to be the overseer of all world banking. Sharpe was to appoint the governor of the Bank of England.

"Why I wasn't going to be the governor of the Bank of England, I've never quite been sure!," commented Sharpe, when interviewed in 1986.

Sharpe was later declared an SP by Hubbard, as was David Mayo, and anyone else who had had the misfortune of having been "appointed" by Hubbard to some high position.

The only notable exception is Mary Sue Hubbard, who quietly became "non-person."

1986 interview with David Mayo:

http://www.whyaretheydead.net/krasel/books/bfm/interviews/mayo.htm
 

asagai

Patron Meritorious
Good reply Veda!!:thumbsup:

Despite being a long-time critic of Ron's evaluative Upper levels, I'd never related his "discoveries" to PTS Type 3. :duh:
 

Smitty

Silver Meritorious Patron
It looks to me that NOTs was only palliative, because Hubbard still died ill and insane in January 1986.
The results I have seen in scientologists who have received it are a mixed bag.
Some seem to do a little better in life, but most don't accomplish anything noteworthy. A few get cancer and drop dead. I would say that NOTs is just a cash cow for scientology.
Smitty
 

Dulloldfart

Squirrel Extraordinaire
Wasn't he OTXV?:duh:

Why do you think OT IX and OT X haven't been released?

I used to (idealistically) think it was because the world was not ready for the power to be unleashed on it that these levels would bring. Or something like that. I hadn't thought it through too much.

There is this line about "OT IX and X will be released when all orgs are the size of old Saint Hill." Anyone can see that such a situation will be impossible forever. If Scn were to undergo a truly explosive expansion, with thousands of new people a week getting in and powering their way up the bridge, there would always be new groups forming, and groups becoming missions, and missions becoming small orgs, and small orgs becoming large orgs, and large orgs going SH-size. There could be a million Saint Hill-sized orgs, and there would be hundreds of thousands of orgs that were not (yet) Saint Hill sized. Stupid. Anyone can see that. Except the morons in Int Mgmt who continued to promote the idea. :)

Just think. If they had a viable OT IX and OT X, how much MONEY they could make with it! What a revitalization to a jaded CofS field it would provide! I believe they would have released it years ago if they actually had anything to release. Assuming it to be a solo audited level, it wouldn't even need much new infrastructure to deliver.

Paul
 

Tanstaafl

Crusader
The question I used to ask is: "Who the fuck were OT levels IX - XV piloted on?".

Even if I had considered Hubbard a deity I would never have bought that valid tech had not been piloted.

Any OTXV completions out there? Don't be shy? :)

Another thing is that, at an event a few years ago where they announced the pre-reqs for OTIX and X (Class 6 or Class V Grad + all specialist courses), it was mentioned that Hubbard's folders for OTIX alone were greater than for the rest of his Bridge combined. In light of CoS command intention I was amazed they didn't annouce huge and ambitious plans for forest development to provide the paper for the trillions of worksheets that would be needed. Maybe they always knew this and that's why they moved Flag to a land base - because none of the ships could float with that much paper aboard. :whistling:
 

Iknowtoomuch

Gold Meritorious Patron
Why do you think OT IX and OT X haven't been released?

I used to (idealistically) think it was because the world was not ready for the power to be unleashed on it that these levels would bring. Or something like that. I hadn't thought it through too much.

There is this line about "OT IX and X will be released when all orgs are the size of old Saint Hill." Anyone can see that such a situation will be impossible forever. If Scn were to undergo a truly explosive expansion, with thousands of new people a week getting in and powering their way up the bridge, there would always be new groups forming, and groups becoming missions, and missions becoming small orgs, and small orgs becoming large orgs, and large orgs going SH-size. There could be a million Saint Hill-sized orgs, and there would be hundreds of thousands of orgs that were not (yet) Saint Hill sized. Stupid. Anyone can see that. Except the morons in Int Mgmt who continued to promote the idea. :)

Just think. If they had a viable OT IX and OT X, how much MONEY they could make with it! What a revitalization to a jaded CofS field it would provide! I believe they would have released it years ago if they actually had anything to release. Assuming it to be a solo audited level, it wouldn't even need much new infrastructure to deliver.

Paul

The question I used to ask is: "Who the fuck were OT levels IX - XV piloted on?".

Even if I had considered Hubbard a deity I would never have bought that valid tech had not been piloted.

Any OTXV completions out there? Don't be shy? :)

Another thing is that, at an event a few years ago where they announced the pre-reqs for OTIX and X (Class 6 or Class V Grad + all specialist courses), it was mentioned that Hubbard's folders for OTIX alone were greater than for the rest of his Bridge combined. In light of CoS command intention I was amazed they didn't annouce huge and ambitious plans for forest development to provide the paper for the trillions of worksheets that would be needed. Maybe they always knew this and that's why they moved Flag to a land base - because none of the ships could float with that much paper aboard. :whistling:



OT IX-XV= a series of sec checks that never end. Creating a constant influx of cash.:D
 

Div6

Crusader
Nots as "delivered" in the CoS is nothing but a cash cow at higher rates.

If you take the time to actually read the NOTS series, it starts with repairs of all of you past auditing....and then progresses from there.....to the EP, at which point you are slated for more of the same, but Solo now, at least 600 hours.

You are not told 600 hours, btw, but that was the "hidden standard" for time on that level. Solo NOts sessions are supposed to be short - 10 to 15 minutes each, so if you were able to do 6 sessions a day (and most aren't) it would take almost 2 years to near completion.

But the thing is, is that after the first run of OT VIII's returned and started dying, a large number were put back on VII.

I am reposting this link for the n00bs.....a Class XII's write up of the trainwreck at the top of the Bridge:

http://www.antisectes.net/class12.htm

Point #2 is relevant to the interests of this thread, but the whole thing deserves a read.
 
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