Lurker5
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Glendie is loaded and ready for bear . . .
*last shoop, don't want to derail the thread
Marty Rathbun raises his head, and starts squawking PART 2
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skep
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The drip marketing, blathering, ranting or whatever Rathbun is doing continues.
This time he tries to persuade anyone who is listening, that Leah Remini is just using the incident at Cruises wedding when she asked about Shelley Miscavige, as a ruse to produce an income. Of course, he casts serious aspersions against Mike Rinder.
Man, he really must have been paid some serious coin to lower him self to the level he's at now. Not a mensch in anyone's language.
This time he tries to persuade anyone who is listening, that Leah Remini is just using the incident at Cruises wedding when she asked about Shelley Miscavige, as a ruse to produce an income. Of course, he casts serious aspersions against Mike Rinder.
Man, he really must have been paid some serious coin to lower him self to the level he's at now. Not a mensch in anyone's language.
UhLasare
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Marty Rathbun Now
(Marty's Leah Remini Video # 17)
"One of the critical parts of the, of the Rinder/Ortega/Remini rollout of Remini, was the quote unquote missing Shelly Miscavige, the wife of David Miscavige.
And uh, you know, at the time in 2013? I think it was. Rinder told me about that. That she was going to do a whole thing about 'Where's Shelly?' and put the church in just an unbelievably terrible position, because it, you know he figured it all out, because he's been in public relations his entire life and he figured it all out: there was going to be this untenable position where nobody could respond to it because it's so personal and it's so irrer..., it's so, um, the accusation is so, um, one of those things that you, it's like a 'do you beat your wife?', um, conundrum, right? The way they're framing the, the accusation, that, that they can just go to town and make a, make it into a, you know a, series that, a serial that just keeps playing out. Right?
And I said, 'Mike, why, why would Leah do something like this, um, but you know, if she's, has any concern about her, her, her own credibility and integrity? You know she's not missing! You know that Leah Remini truly doesn't have the rank to ask to know exactly where she is when and how she does her business. That just as much as she, that she, um, feels like, um, you know, that she needs the, the, the ability to be er where she, you know wherever she wants and associates with ever who she wants, Shelly has the exact same right! The last p..., and you know! That the last person in the world that she'd want to see is Leah Remini. Or Mike Rinder...' "
Marty Rathbun Then
(Screenshots from his own blog posts)
"Eva, Manuela, and Dave - Part II" September 28, 2009:
"Stepping Out of Line" February 22, 2010:
"Cruise Missile or Scud?" April 12, 2010:
"Tom Cruise’s Life Controlled by Sinister Cult" January 31, 2011:
"Miscavige and Misogyny" March 3, 2012
"Trained to Lie" Dec 18, 2013
BONUS MATERIAL!!!
From Marty's Blog post titled "Eva, Manuela, and Dave - Part II" September 28, 2009:
"...The more Shelly seperated herself out from DM’s valence, the more he
distanced himself from her and confided in his troika of adoring
associates, Laurisse (Lou) Stuckenbrock (for many years COB’s
Communicator), Jenny Devocht Linsen (Hole I/C, currently D/CO CMO INT
for WDC), and Angie Blankenship (COB Programs Ops, Hole I/C, and
currently WDC for Ideal Orgs)..."
(Marty's Leah Remini Video # 17)
"One of the critical parts of the, of the Rinder/Ortega/Remini rollout of Remini, was the quote unquote missing Shelly Miscavige, the wife of David Miscavige.
And uh, you know, at the time in 2013? I think it was. Rinder told me about that. That she was going to do a whole thing about 'Where's Shelly?' and put the church in just an unbelievably terrible position, because it, you know he figured it all out, because he's been in public relations his entire life and he figured it all out: there was going to be this untenable position where nobody could respond to it because it's so personal and it's so irrer..., it's so, um, the accusation is so, um, one of those things that you, it's like a 'do you beat your wife?', um, conundrum, right? The way they're framing the, the accusation, that, that they can just go to town and make a, make it into a, you know a, series that, a serial that just keeps playing out. Right?
And I said, 'Mike, why, why would Leah do something like this, um, but you know, if she's, has any concern about her, her, her own credibility and integrity? You know she's not missing! You know that Leah Remini truly doesn't have the rank to ask to know exactly where she is when and how she does her business. That just as much as she, that she, um, feels like, um, you know, that she needs the, the, the ability to be er where she, you know wherever she wants and associates with ever who she wants, Shelly has the exact same right! The last p..., and you know! That the last person in the world that she'd want to see is Leah Remini. Or Mike Rinder...' "
Marty Rathbun Then
(Screenshots from his own blog posts)
"Eva, Manuela, and Dave - Part II" September 28, 2009:
"Stepping Out of Line" February 22, 2010:
"Cruise Missile or Scud?" April 12, 2010:
"Tom Cruise’s Life Controlled by Sinister Cult" January 31, 2011:
"Miscavige and Misogyny" March 3, 2012
"Trained to Lie" Dec 18, 2013
BONUS MATERIAL!!!
From Marty's Blog post titled "Eva, Manuela, and Dave - Part II" September 28, 2009:
"...The more Shelly seperated herself out from DM’s valence, the more he
distanced himself from her and confided in his troika of adoring
associates, Laurisse (Lou) Stuckenbrock (for many years COB’s
Communicator), Jenny Devocht Linsen (Hole I/C, currently D/CO CMO INT
for WDC), and Angie Blankenship (COB Programs Ops, Hole I/C, and
currently WDC for Ideal Orgs)..."
ExposedPerfidy
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Aaron Smith-Levin replies to "Leah Remini and her Troublemakers, Part 16" (the video that addressed the episode Aaron was in):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7C5uiA6t1XY&feature=push-u&attr_tag=xR8FvuN8sX80yIei-6
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7C5uiA6t1XY&feature=push-u&attr_tag=xR8FvuN8sX80yIei-6
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Terrific video!
One of the (somewhat maddening) questions that Aaron "wondered" about a number of times is whether Rathbun "knew" what he was saying was a lie and (i.e. whether he "believed" it) or whether the COS just gave him a ream of bullet points to attack.
ANSWER: Of course Rathbun knows he's lying his ass off.
The technique employed throughout Rathbun's videographed series (and online posts since he decided to abandon his lawsuit vs Scientology) is a very special kind of (acceptable truth, TR-L, and shore-story) LIE TECHNIQUE that I don't ever recall being described/detailed. Of course a lie is a lie. But there is a type of lying that is used for special occasions by Scientology's elite "BIG LIE" public relations experts.
The "special occasion" happens when the COS (Crimewave of Scientology) has been suddenly and shockingly caught red-handed in some disgraceful lie(s), black op(s), fraud(s) and/or crime(s). And, the situation is far more seriously "out PR" than just plain old lying can possibly address. For example:
--David Miscavige being caught red-handed on the last public interview he did on national TV with Ted Koppell ("Nightline" interview in 1992). In that interview Miscavige "manufactures" (Hubbard's word in scripture) damning allegations and pretends they are fully documented and provable facts. In Miscavige's moment of meltdown he rants about "proof" that "psychs" were creating a "Siberian" facility to incarcerate, torture and kill innocent people. For good measure, he also throws in lurid charges that the US federal government was infiltrating Scientology and "murdering" Scientologists.
[video=youtube;fRR2H9Zi5ZE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRR2H9Zi5ZE&ab_channel=EnturbulationStatio n[/video]
The technique is this; create out of nothing and nowhere a set of outrageous "facts" that nobody is able to instantly refute. Then threaten to deliver the documents and "proof" at a later time (which of course never, ever happens). BUT FOR THE MINI-MOMENT, IT THROWS A RANDOMLY CHAOTIC TWIST THAT CAN MOMENTARILY DERAIL OR DISTRACT FROM THE BRUTAL DEBUNKING THAT SCIENTOLOGY IS BEING THROTTLED WITH. There is no slightest intent or hope that any of it is true, but a bombshell is dropped with some earnest-sounding commitment to send over the facts/docs (which just conveniently happen to be missing at the moment while the live TV show is filming).
We see this identical technique in virtually all of Scientology's pitiful performances over the decades, where they rant and sputter and spew out the craziest claims imaginable. If anyone has heard Heber Jentzch's unhinged histrionics on past tv/radio shows, they will quickly recognize why he literally began ranting and screaming about Nazis and demented conspiratorial "facts" that he was ever-so-willing to provide the documents to prove (some time later, after the show was off the air, lol).
We saw that technique with cult-clown Tommy Davis as well. He would get in front of the cameras and just melt down his own version of the hysterically indignant humanitarian, in such classics as assuring viewers that "there is no such thing as disconnection" in Scientology. If Davis could not come up with a bombshell lie (to momentarily misdirect) he would simply begin psychotic screaming or storming off the live show. Such theatrics were done for no other reason than to re-focus attention on how crazy he was, rather than how crazy Hubbard and Scientology was.
I think I'll just leave it at those two (2) examples to make the point. IN A DESPERATE PR-MELTDOWN, SCIENTOLOGY SPOKESPERSONS INSTANTLY TRANSFORM INTO VIRTUAL SUICIDE BOMBERS, EXPLODING BOTH THE TRUTH AND THEMSELVES IN A FANATICALLY GLORIOUS ACT OF SELF-DESTRUCTION. It serves one purpose--to send a shock wave that disables the dialogue and sends the conversation's dazed and disoriented participants stumbling away from the site of the blast.
This is Rathbun's technique--a flash-bang grenade tossed into the conversation every single time that he wants to "clear the room".
All this gives the Scientologist the sensation that they have "won", for the moment. There is no slightest prediction of what will ensue when the public discovers that they were lying their asses off in the most contemptibly cynical and sociopathic way. They don't care. They got their F/N and ended session, for themselves and everyone else that was bothering to listen.
Rathbun is on the way to the examiner to celebrate his floating needle. The "examiner" is the next destination on a Scientology whore's routing form, just after getting a bank teller to "sign off" the previous one--confirming that a mysteriously gargantuan deposit was made into their personal account.
FREE BONUS!
Whoa! Marty has just responded to my post!
Terrific video!
One of the (somewhat maddening) questions that Aaron "wondered" about a number of times is whether Rathbun "knew" what he was saying was a lie and (i.e. whether he "believed" it) or whether the COS just gave him a ream of bullet points to attack.
ANSWER: Of course Rathbun knows he's lying his ass off.
The technique employed throughout Rathbun's videographed series (and online posts since he decided to abandon his lawsuit vs Scientology) is a very special kind of (acceptable truth, TR-L, and shore-story) LIE TECHNIQUE that I don't ever recall being described/detailed. Of course a lie is a lie. But there is a type of lying that is used for special occasions by Scientology's elite "BIG LIE" public relations experts.
The "special occasion" happens when the COS (Crimewave of Scientology) has been suddenly and shockingly caught red-handed in some disgraceful lie(s), black op(s), fraud(s) and/or crime(s). And, the situation is far more seriously "out PR" than just plain old lying can possibly address. For example:
--David Miscavige being caught red-handed on the last public interview he did on national TV with Ted Koppell ("Nightline" interview in 1992). In that interview Miscavige "manufactures" (Hubbard's word in scripture) damning allegations and pretends they are fully documented and provable facts. In Miscavige's moment of meltdown he rants about "proof" that "psychs" were creating a "Siberian" facility to incarcerate, torture and kill innocent people. For good measure, he also throws in lurid charges that the US federal government was infiltrating Scientology and "murdering" Scientologists.
[video=youtube;fRR2H9Zi5ZE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRR2H9Zi5ZE&ab_channel=EnturbulationStatio n[/video]
The technique is this; create out of nothing and nowhere a set of outrageous "facts" that nobody is able to instantly refute. Then threaten to deliver the documents and "proof" at a later time (which of course never, ever happens). BUT FOR THE MINI-MOMENT, IT THROWS A RANDOMLY CHAOTIC TWIST THAT CAN MOMENTARILY DERAIL OR DISTRACT FROM THE BRUTAL DEBUNKING THAT SCIENTOLOGY IS BEING THROTTLED WITH. There is no slightest intent or hope that any of it is true, but a bombshell is dropped with some earnest-sounding commitment to send over the facts/docs (which just conveniently happen to be missing at the moment while the live TV show is filming).
We see this identical technique in virtually all of Scientology's pitiful performances over the decades, where they rant and sputter and spew out the craziest claims imaginable. If anyone has heard Heber Jentzch's unhinged histrionics on past tv/radio shows, they will quickly recognize why he literally began ranting and screaming about Nazis and demented conspiratorial "facts" that he was ever-so-willing to provide the documents to prove (some time later, after the show was off the air, lol).
We saw that technique with cult-clown Tommy Davis as well. He would get in front of the cameras and just melt down his own version of the hysterically indignant humanitarian, in such classics as assuring viewers that "there is no such thing as disconnection" in Scientology. If Davis could not come up with a bombshell lie (to momentarily misdirect) he would simply begin psychotic screaming or storming off the live show. Such theatrics were done for no other reason than to re-focus attention on how crazy he was, rather than how crazy Hubbard and Scientology was.
I think I'll just leave it at those two (2) examples to make the point. IN A DESPERATE PR-MELTDOWN, SCIENTOLOGY SPOKESPERSONS INSTANTLY TRANSFORM INTO VIRTUAL SUICIDE BOMBERS, EXPLODING BOTH THE TRUTH AND THEMSELVES IN A FANATICALLY GLORIOUS ACT OF SELF-DESTRUCTION. It serves one purpose--to send a shock wave that disables the dialogue and sends the conversation's dazed and disoriented participants stumbling away from the site of the blast.
This is Rathbun's technique--a flash-bang grenade tossed into the conversation every single time that he wants to "clear the room".
All this gives the Scientologist the sensation that they have "won", for the moment. There is no slightest prediction of what will ensue when the public discovers that they were lying their asses off in the most contemptibly cynical and sociopathic way. They don't care. They got their F/N and ended session, for themselves and everyone else that was bothering to listen.
Rathbun is on the way to the examiner to celebrate his floating needle. The "examiner" is the next destination on a Scientology whore's routing form, just after getting a bank teller to "sign off" the previous one--confirming that a mysteriously gargantuan deposit was made into their personal account.
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FREE BONUS!
Whoa! Marty has just responded to my post!
George Layton
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anonomog
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With each video, I get creeped out more. It goes beyond the weird giggle and smirks, the incessant lying and blanked out moments.
It raises the hair on the back of my neck.
Uncanny valley.
It looks like a human, talks about human concepts, emotes ... but nothing is there.
It raises the hair on the back of my neck.
Uncanny valley.
It looks like a human, talks about human concepts, emotes ... but nothing is there.
SiriusIncident
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Maybe he felt obligated and wanted to get what he thought needed to be said off his chest.
There's also the god complex thing.
Boson Wog Stark
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[video]https://youtu.be/u2xIrPVxJsQ[/video]
I'm a little surprised that Miscavige allows Marty to yammer on about Shelly being missing. If she's not missing, why the hell hasn't she been at a Scientology event by her husband's side for over 11 years? I'd say she's missing from Scientology events and the presence she used to have at Gold Base also.
Marty says she's not missing, so what's the damn story? Isn't that what any Scientologist seeing this would wonder?
Let's say David Miscavige disappeared one day. Would that be personal? No one would have the rank to ask where he is? Supposed to wait for Hubbard to come back and ask?
I'm a little surprised that Miscavige allows Marty to yammer on about Shelly being missing. If she's not missing, why the hell hasn't she been at a Scientology event by her husband's side for over 11 years? I'd say she's missing from Scientology events and the presence she used to have at Gold Base also.
Marty says she's not missing, so what's the damn story? Isn't that what any Scientologist seeing this would wonder?
Let's say David Miscavige disappeared one day. Would that be personal? No one would have the rank to ask where he is? Supposed to wait for Hubbard to come back and ask?
Intelligence
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So creepy I don't watch his videos - just skim over them as little as possible.
It's almost like he's a BOT infected with a very strange virus. Facial expressions and eye movement could ooze him an Enema Award.
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Two posts regarding the Emmy Award nominations have been moved to a new thread, away from the subject of Marty Rathbun.
http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthre...ology-and-the-aftermath&p=1146954#post1146954
http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthre...ology-and-the-aftermath&p=1146954#post1146954
Victoria
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I figured it out.
Churchill
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The same is true of his small cadre of "Manson family" followers who believe themselves gifted with a secret knowledge that has somehow eluded us mere mortals, lol!
ExposedPerfidy
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How much of those people are genuine supporters of Marty rather than OSA shills playing a role? I am willing to accept that some of them actually believe the shit they're saying, but I wouldn't be surprised if their ranks are buttressed by OSA trolls trying to fan the flames.
Churchill
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Right you are!
SiriusIncident
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Maybe not all OSA, either way, fairly connected for all the usual reasons and the Church just uses them up to get things like KRs etc.
Tanchi
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So, they are Indies or exes, but COS uses them for their own purposes. Like say, one poster has a huge grudge boner for Ortega, posting maniacally about it, but it's ok cause COS hates him too. Hmm. Or those that have issues with Rinder and keep hanging on to their hot coal of anger, posting about it? are Miscavage's tools?
I'm surprised those folks don't see they're being used.
I'm surprised those folks don't see they're being used.
