Marty Rathbun raises his head, and starts squawking PART 2

[Lone Star]

I have experience with the Marty blog commenters. Right now I don't see anyone posting that didn't post last year. I don't believe any of them are OSA. Not then, and not now.

What's odd is that Marty allows Dan Koon's posts through even though he is critical of the videos. But he is critical without name calling and such. Maybe that's why. But he is quite adamant in his critiques. Who knows why Marty does what he does ultimately.

Oh, I just read another post that isn't exactly towing the Marty line. A guy named Archimedes calling him out for changing what he says about Shelly Miscavige over the years. Maybe he's gradually starting to allow more contrary views again.

But if you are aggressive toward Marty at all, like I was a few weeks ago, he won't let it through. (I said I knew he was lying because his lips were moving).

 

[HelluvaHoax!]

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What's odd is that Marty allows Dan Koon's posts through even though he is critical of the videos. But he is critical without name calling and such. Maybe that's why. But he is quite adamant in his critiques. Who knows why Marty does what he does ultimately.

I have a theory about that.

Marty is the much-dreaded "MERCHANT OF CHAOS" that our favorite cultic C-Suite gurus (Commodore/COB) have been warning the world about for the past 67 years!

What they didn't warn the planet about is that they themselves intentionally (albeit covertly) spread as much chaos as possible in order to "ruin" people, so that they can thereafter be saved simply by paying MEST ransom money to retrieve their hijacked souls. Or, absent that, to minimally confuse people sufficiently that they hopelessly shrug and stop trying to figure out what the hell is going on with the cult. This is entirely what the cult desires, to be left alone to perpetrate unmonitored & unregulated global fraud.

What many people don't realize is that the entire concepts of "ARC = UNDERSTANDING" and "STUDY TECH" and "PERFECT DUPLICATION" are nothing more than guru-craft misdirections.

Scientology: The basic misunderstood about the cult is that people are not supposed to understand Scientology. They are supposed to obey it.

Marty Rathbun is simply doing his part to contribute to the [STRIKE]motion[/STRIKE] commotion.

 

[Gib]

I have experience with the Marty blog commenters. Right now I don't see anyone posting that didn't post last year. I don't believe any of them are OSA. Not then, and not now.

What's odd is that Marty allows Dan Koon's posts through even though he is critical of the videos. But he is critical without name calling and such. Maybe that's why. But he is quite adamant in his critiques. Who knows why Marty does what he does ultimately.

Oh, I just read another post that isn't exactly towing the Marty line. A guy named Archimedes calling him out for changing what he says about Shelly Miscavige over the years. Maybe he's gradually starting to allow more contrary views again.

But if you are aggressive toward Marty at all, like I was a few weeks ago, he won't let it through. (I said I knew he was lying because his lips were moving).

As I highlight in red Lone Star, there is no way you would know that, there have been new names, avatars, posting on Marty's blog. We just don't know, those new names could be anybody, past or present or OSA which is why I respect those that keep their avatars the same.

I have listened to everyone of Marty's video's, and in listening to the rebuttal by Aaron there was something that caught my ear, in that a video clip Aaron posted of Marty's video clip Marty states "we". I have never heard before Marty stating "we". I missed it the first time around I listened to Marty's video's.

There has been much discussion if Marty is actually alone or with somebody, I think this slip of the tongue by Marty by saying "we" proves he is with somebody, question being who is "we".

It's at the 24 minute mark and a little bit further where Aaron shows Martys video clip, and actually at the 24:35 mark where Marty says "We do know", and a little bit on he says "we" again:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7C5uiA6t1XY

Edit to add: Thanks for doing that rebuttal video Aaron, I clearly get you don't do these video's for the money, LOL

 

[Lone Star]

Gib I have no doubt at all that Marty is working with the cult. That has nothing to do with my belief that the posters on his blog are not OSA. (And it is what I believe, not know. Of course I don't know for sure. No one does either way).

Frankly I don't see any reason why OSA would have a need to post there. He's got enough loyalists without OSA's help, and now he's allowing a few dissenters in just to give the appearance of openness. OSA's job is to pad the stats as to how many are "watching" the videos on YT. And of course get the videos on that Scientology site that trashes Leah's show.

 

[SiriusIncident]

As I highlight in red Lone Star, there is no way you would know that, there have been new names, avatars, posting on Marty's blog. We just don't know, those new names could be anybody, past or present or OSA which is why I respect those that keep their avatars the same.

You have to remember there are more people out of the Church that have left than are still in right now.

There has been much discussion if Marty is actually alone or with somebody, I think this slip of the tongue by Marty by saying "we" proves he is with somebody, question being who is "we".

You saw something freudian going on there too. Maybe it wasn't intentional.

 

[HelluvaHoax!]

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Originally Posted by Gib
There has been much discussion if Marty is actually alone or with somebody, I think this slip of the tongue by Marty by saying "we" proves he is with somebody, question being who is "we".

You saw something freudian going on there too. Maybe it wasn't intentional.

haiku du jour

cult's freudian slip
losing their fraudian grip
it's all a big rip
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[Pierrot]

There has been much discussion if Marty is actually alone or with somebody, I think this slip of the tongue by Marty by saying "we" proves he is with somebody, question being who is "we".

a troika

 

[Lone Star]

Scientology Samurai Marty

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aKpZlpfpzEY


Courtesy of OTVIII8isGrrr8, J.Swift

 

[SiriusIncident]

Scientology Samurai Marty

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aKpZlpfpzEY


Courtesy of OTVIII8isGrrr8, J.Swift

He's just channeling his washing machine biggly.

 

[IWantOffThisTrain]

You have to remember there are more people out of the Church that have left than are still in right now.


You saw something freudian going on there too. Maybe it wasn't intentional.

I haven't figured out all of the wonderful tools yet, so I cant just highlight or snip the part i want to comment but ill figure it out sooner or later!

I veiw Martys saying "we" as a general broad term. Like when a person says "we know drinking while pregnant is bad so we dont do it anymore", the person making that statement didnt help discover its bad, they may have never been pregnant or it could be man saying it. Most understand the speaker isnt saying any of those things, they are just saying we as a group of people who may be interested in the subject. I think Marty is doing the same thing, he isn't referring to a specific person.

That said I do think there is someone off camera directing the production. This has been rehearsed and he has notes. He has the leeway to choose his words as they go but he has to include specific talking points.

The other thing I wanted to point out is his Into video makes it seem like he is just going to showing outtakes but given the sheer volume of releases makes me wonder is there even a complete version or if there is will theu release it? This had to have been shot over multiple days (just going by how much he has released so far)

 

[SiriusIncident]

That said I do think there is someone off camera directing the production. This has been rehearsed and he has notes. He has the leeway to choose his words as they go but he has to include specific talking points.

Scientologists generally have great enough street smarts they're going to detect how deeply passionate Marty is expressing himself with the talking points.

 

[HelluvaHoax!]

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I view Martys saying "we" as a general broad term. Like when a person says "we know drinking while pregnant is bad so we dont do it anymore", the person making that statement didnt help discover its bad, they may have never been pregnant or it could be man saying it. Most understand the speaker isnt saying any of those things, they are just saying we as a group of people who may be interested in the subject. I think Marty is doing the same thing, he isn't referring to a specific person.

Good translation of what Rathbun is trying to say. I would guess there is a very high likelihood that your analysis is correct, with these lower-percentage caveats:

-- Marty's characteristic speech pattern and rhetorical signature is not exactly consistent with using the word "we" as above. He's much more of an "I", "I", "I" kinda guy. However, considering that he is being fed lines to parrot (by the cult of Scientology's sociopathic tyrant and check signer) it would not be surprising if this was just one more clumsy "tell" that he wasn't speaking naturally as one would for themselves.

-- Marty could also have been inspired by the high-flying bombast of Scn speechwriter Dan Sherman; to wit, he could well have been using the "Royal We", omnisciently pompous asshole that he is, LOL. [ The royal "we", or majestic plural, is the use of a plural pronoun to refer to a single person holding a high office, such as a sovereign or religious leader. The more general word for the use of a we to refer to oneself is nosism. - WIKI ]

-- Finally, Marty could have been using "we" to refer to his 3rd Dynamic's ten-million-strong membership! No, not the COS--I'm talking about his personal BT collection.​

 

[ThetanExterior]

The other thing I wanted to point out is his Into video makes it seem like he is just going to showing outtakes but given the sheer volume of releases makes me wonder is there even a complete version or if there is will theu release it? This had to have been shot over multiple days (just going by how much he has released so far)

Somebody posted here recently that the total time of all of the videos so far is just over 3 hours. I haven't counted them myself but if that's true plus the fact he hasn't changed his clothes probably points to them all being done in one day.

It was probably a very financially lucrative day.

 

[SiriusIncident]

Somebody posted here recently that the total time of all of the videos so far is just over 3 hours. I haven't counted them myself but if that's true plus the fact he hasn't changed his clothes probably points to them all being done in one day.

It was probably a very financially lucrative day.

That's one theory. It doesn't explain his blog which appealed to his Martyzone unicorn.

 

[Lone Star]

Right now it seems to be all the rage for these ASC members to say that I'm making a long video posted in installments. Making fun of this supposed brown suit I'm wearing. They're running this op on their various troll farm blogs and forums. It's just not true!

I haven't been making a video and I'm not wearing a brown suit. I know because I'm here making this video. It never happened. It's not happening now. What is real? You think you're listening to me right now, but are you? I don't even exist. I'm a static. I postulate. Therefore I am. But yet I'm not.....

 

[T.Contax]

Scientologists generally have great enough street smarts they're going to detect how deeply passionate Marty is expressing himself with the talking points.

True, I think most scn that have done tr's (and most everyone else too!) would have the ability to spot his odd behavior in these videos. But I think the videos might possibly work a different way on a bubble dweller.

It's hard for me to put myself in the shoes of someone who has dedicated multiple decades to something while greatly ignoring all else. But I think to someone like that these videos might come off as "Great, Marty is doing his a&e! The tech works, people can be recovered!"

Trying to imagine how a bubble dweller would view this history...
Marty leaves and it causes a surge of "blows", "doubters" and "ethics cases". Church "da's" (dead agents) and keeps most in the fold (it's all good because "the sp's have been rooted out!"). A couple of years quietly pass and then I hear wind of some St. Pete times articles that I'm not supposed to read (so I don't) and instead only read the church's "da" on him (freedom mag, etc). Many years go by and there are little pr flare ups here and there but those are put out by the church's "da" and heavy ethics. I ignore and quickly close any "entheta" on the internet (and if exposed I turn myself in). Then all of a sudden I hear Marty has repented and is "making amends" by telling the "truth" and setting the record straight for all to hear. It's clear in these videos that he's a broken man, I think "wow, I sure am glad I didn't go to the dark side like poor Marty". Having never heard the whole story I think I just might believe what he is saying... maybe?

A question for those that were in, had a lot of training and believed in the "tech": Picture never having been exposed to any of Marty's previous statements (after he left) and all you were willing to listen to was the church's propaganda. Deeply in, tech person, not exec. Then they show you these new videos of his. What do you think now? Your perspective might help me to better understand and deal with someone that is close to me

T.

 

[Lulu Belle]

Guess he's done with Leah Remini and Mike Rinder.

Moving on a Little Higher to Going Clear, the movie.



https://youtu.be/o2dZtAzmij4

 

[Mimsey Borogrove]

That's one theory. It doesn't explain his blog which appealed to his Martyzone unicorn.

Would it explain it if it was being done for an audience of one? Let me ask this - Marty spent much of his life in the SO. When he got out what did he do for employment? He bought the contents of storage units and sold them. You can't say that is a big cash generating proposition. Then he tried his hand at auditing. Started posting ASC partyline on line to get customers. Got fucked with the goon squad harassing him day and night. The wife had enough and sued. You can't raise a kid with camera hat goons on the door step. How much did he make off his books? Not what Leah did. Let's say he were to write a tell all, where the bodies are hidden book - how big would it be? Would he rake in enough cash to support a family? Or would it be of interest to a select group and fade away? I think the value of the knowledge is in NOT telling it.

So, what does he do? He cuts a deal with the audience of one, and to hell with Tony and all the other scum. Sound about right?

Mimsey

 

[George Layton]

Guess he's done with Leah Remini and Mike Rinder.

Moving on a Little Higher to Going Clear, the movie.



https://youtu.be/o2dZtAzmij4

Everything scientology has ever done to people is all in the past. Now it's just a friendly, comforting life coach. Everything is fine just move on.

 

[SiriusIncident]

True, I think most scn that have done tr's (and most everyone else too!) would have the ability to spot his odd behavior in these videos. But I think the videos might possibly work a different way on a bubble dweller.

It's hard for me to put myself in the shoes of someone who has dedicated multiple decades to something while greatly ignoring all else. But I think to someone like that these videos might come off as "Great, Marty is doing his a&e! The tech works, people can be recovered!"

Trying to imagine how a bubble dweller would view this history...
Marty leaves and it causes a surge of "blows", "doubters" and "ethics cases". Church "da's" (dead agents) and keeps most in the fold (it's all good because "the sp's have been rooted out!"). A couple of years quietly pass and then I hear wind of some St. Pete times articles that I'm not supposed to read (so I don't) and instead only read the church's "da" on him (freedom mag, etc). Many years go by and there are little pr flare ups here and there but those are put out by the church's "da" and heavy ethics. I ignore and quickly close any "entheta" on the internet (and if exposed I turn myself in). Then all of a sudden I hear Marty has repented and is "making amends" by telling the "truth" and setting the record straight for all to hear. It's clear in these videos that he's a broken man, I think "wow, I sure am glad I didn't go to the dark side like poor Marty". Having never heard the whole story I think I just might believe what he is saying... maybe?

A question for those that were in, had a lot of training and believed in the "tech": Picture never having been exposed to any of Marty's previous statements (after he left) and all you were willing to listen to was the church's propaganda. Deeply in, tech person, not exec. Then they show you these new videos of his. What do you think now? Your perspective might help me to better understand and deal with someone that is close to me

T.

COB's lack of isness (for the lack of a better word), he doesn't know what he doesn't know about what goes on with conversations about management between Scientologists. I believe somewhere in management someone really get's Marty's story if they had put him up to it. Curious to see what purpose Marty's business outside the Church was? Could it have been to drive people psychotic and make Scientology look bad and where that's going. It probably looks like strange business to members that are in as much as it does to those that are out.

If the words are scripted to sound like David's, maybe that's putting there the intent in the minds of the currently active that he's doing something Hubbard doesn't approve of. :confused2: It's true many don't know Marty Rathbun's full history of his ecclesiastical and spiritual position within the Church, there are questions about what his relationship with the Church is about. Who are the connections between himself and whoever is trying to cause members to stumble on the road to freedom. I don't get any indication Marty believes himself is broken, and maybe he does seem to know what he's doing is wrong.