Mike "I'm All About the Crimes" Rinder

Alanzo

Bardo Tulpa
The one who can't perceive is you.

You parrot Scientology Inc. propaganda, and Scn Inc. apologist propaganda, modified by your role as a perimeter defense "critic of Scientology."

You're protective of the St. Louis Director of OSA and want to assure us all how normal she and her family are, while denouncing "anti-Scientologists" as "robotic, alienated, and cruel."
How did I say that the St Louis Director of OSA had a normal family?

By saying that her daughter works for her in the St Louis DSA's office?

By saying that her son, Kevin Forney, despite what was reported on Mike's Blog in Aug of last year, is not "in hiding"?

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I have updated you on information on suspected or known OSA operatives.

I have also proven that Mike Rinder's blog contains false information on this guy.
 
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Veda

Sponsor
It is common knowledge that corporate Scientology embeds operatives in the "ex-" and/or "critic" community, and in any group that could inhibit their expansionist plans. They've been doing it for decades, as per Hubbard's directives for infiltration etc. It is completely within any GO/OSA personnel's mandate to covertly embed themselves in every group that arises against them, or even to become the "opposition" to Scientology.

http://suppressiveperson.org/1969/02/16/hcopl-targets-defense/
http://suppressiveperson.org/1969/02/16/hcopl-battle-tactics/
http://suppressiveperson.org/1960/08/15/hcopl-department-of-government-affairs/

For all I know, OSA and their academics manufactured such an "Anti-Scientology" grouping for this very purpose. I don't know anyone who actually identifies this way. It is also borne out in history that the Scientologists and their organizational entities don't come out to the public as who they really are anyway.

Leah Remini calls herself a "Troublemaker," which I don't identify with, and I strongly disagree with what she and Rinder aired about the SP doctrine. It serves the corporate Scientologists' malign purposes. Tom Cruise has been propagandizing on the SP doctrine since at least Collateral. Rathbun and company came out on an "ethics paradigm," citing Hubbard's Ethics Program No. 1, which has to do with executing the SP doctrine. [Ref.: an earlier ESMB post] DM has likewise not stopped his share of fake messaging and black PR.

Much of the propaganda on the Aftermath forwards corporate Scientology's black PR against the religious class of "Suppressive Person." Certainly Rinder outside his Aftermath activities has been supporting the conspiracy that includes Miscavige, while cloaking this support with "good deeds" and fake exposure. He does this by not telling the truth about the conspiracy, not helping his victims, and by not doing what he can about the undeserved IRS tax exemption which he claims he helped to obtain.

It is impossible for me to say which line of attacks are "worse." When someone like Mike Rinder wants you to believe that he and his co-conspirators will do anything, that's what seems wise to believe. But there's no doubt that fair game keeps going, and it is not any kinder or gentler since Mike Rinder rose to power in OSA or since he left the corporation.

It's important to put a time notation on things.

I only seen small parts of the Aftermath, and hardly ever watch TV, but I'm pretty sure that Rinder's view re. "SPs" has changed in the last several years.
 

Dave95694

Silly Human
Alanzo used reason? :unsure:

Damn! I must of missed that. :grouch:

Maybe I have a misunderstood on the word "reason".

My understanding of it is this:
The power of the mind to think, understand, and form judgments by a process of logic.

Why would someone who employs reason spew out an avalanche of lies and logical fallacies, and refuse to answer so many good questions in response to his postings?
I would suggest you spend more effort trying to understand what Alanzo is saying than trying to put him down. Then you might understand.

There is no requirement in understanding someone that you agree with them!

His points about antis acting in a very similar manner as die hard churchies, is fairly plain to me.
 

strativarius

Inveterate gnashnab & snoutband
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Yeah, but nobody told old Bill that did they? :biggrin:
 

Alanzo

Bardo Tulpa
They aren't going to get it. They have chosen to believe what they believe, reason does not trump choice. Never has.

They being the people who want to put you down. Some people are so busy being right that they can't let anyone else be.

Reason can be a beautiful thing, but like art, it depends on the viewer.
You're right Dave.

I'd just like to publicly acknowledge that you are right, and I have come to see this:

Reason does not trump choice. Reason follows choice.

Thank you, again, for bringing this piece of wisdom to me.
 

Veda

Sponsor
How did I say that the St Louis Director of OSA had a normal family?

By saying that her daughter works for her in the St Louis DSA's office?

By saying that her son, Kevin Forney, despite what was reported on Mike's Blog in Aug of last year, is not "in hiding"?

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I have updated you on information on suspected or known OSA operatives. I have also proven that Mike Rinder's blog contains false information on this guy.
How would you know if this person had "blown," then decided to return, or had then been recovered? No, you would not know. And if it had happened, it would have been covered up by Scientology Inc.

All that's known for sure is that you're rabidly stuck on attacking the people who most annoy Miscavige and oddly protective of the current OSA and Org Execs.
 

Alanzo

Bardo Tulpa
How would you know if this person had "blown," then decided to return, or had then been recovered? No, you would not know. And if it had happened, it would have been covered up by Scientology Inc.

All that's known for sure is that you're rabidly stuck on attacking the people who most annoy Miscavige and oddly protective of the current OSA and Org Execs.
David Miscavige is still in power, still doing whatever he wants to Scientologists, when he should be in jail.

And yet you believe that the people who have been - at the least - impotent in doing anything about that, or - at the most - helping run his ALL CLEAR UNIT, are the ones who most "annoy" him.

Your black and white filtered thinking makes you unable to see what is actually happening.

Yer amaaazing!
 

Lulu Belle

Moonbat
How would you know if this person had "blown," then decided to return, or had then been recovered? No, you would not know. And if it had happened, it would have been covered up by Scientology Inc.

I was thinking the same thing.

If the kid was on staff, and didn't want to be on staff any more, and was kind of locked into the situation by his parents, good chance he would disappear, at least for a few weeks.

He would know the org would try to "recover" him. If he didn't want to be recovered, he'd lay low until it all died down.

That was a pretty common occurrence when I was in. This was especially common with kids of Scientologists who were pressured into being on staff. Most of the time they didn't last long. And this quitting and blowing was such a normal thing that would happen they wouldn't even get declared. They'd come back, route out, do some conditions and life would go on.
 

Alanzo

Bardo Tulpa
I was thinking the same thing.

If the kid was on staff, and didn't want to be on staff any more, and was kind of locked into the situation by his parents, good chance he would disappear, at least for a few weeks.

He would know the org would try to "recover" him. If he didn't want to be recovered, he'd lay low until it all died down.

That was a pretty common occurrence when I was in. This was especially common with kids of Scientologists who were pressured into being on staff. Most of the time they didn't last long. And this quitting and blowing was such a normal thing that would happen they wouldn't even get declared. They'd come back, route out, do some conditions and life would go on.
He was the ethics officer in St Louis for at least 10 years. His mother has been the DSA in St Louis since 1989.

It's okay. Maybe Kevin can join the new ESMB anonymously and you guys can help him overcome his terrible past.
 
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Veda

Sponsor
David Miscavige is still in power, still doing whatever he wants to Scientologists, when he should be in jail.

And yet you believe that the people who have been - at the least - impotent in doing anything about that, or - at the most - helping run his ALL CLEAR UNIT, are the ones who most "annoy" him.

Your black and white filtered thinking makes you unable to see what is actually happening.

Yer amaaazing!
How many times have you called Scientology Inc. a "minority religion" and forwarded its fraudulent PR on it being an authentic religious institution?

Who do you think you're fooling?
 
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Alanzo

Bardo Tulpa
How do you know he was the ethics officer for 10 years?
I was the ED of the Peoria Mission from 1985 to 1990. I moved back here, and was followed by Scientology PIs back to here, in 2001.

Just like you know people from AOLA and keep tabs on things, so must I.

I know people. And I know people who know people.

https://forum.exscn.net/threads/jeremy-powers-go-see-your-dad.27866/#post-706191

https://forum.exscn.net/threads/is-the-st-louis-org-at-the-breaking-point.28176/#post-715313

https://forum.exscn.net/threads/gag...he-birth-of-my-child.33959/page-6#post-879983
 

Dotey OT

Cyclops Duck of the North - BEWARE
I mean, really. "Rumoured."

How the f--- is this even really an issue.

I know, next it will be "Mike stepped on an ant, SEE, SEE.

At least some of this other mud that is being slung has some meat in it.
 

Lulu Belle

Moonbat
I was the ED of the Peoria Mission from 1989 to 1990. I moved back here, and was followed by Scientology PIs back to here, in 2001.

Just like you know people from AOLA and keep tabs on things, so must I.

I know people. And I know people who know people.

https://forum.exscn.net/threads/jeremy-powers-go-see-your-dad.27866/#post-706191

https://forum.exscn.net/threads/is-the-st-louis-org-at-the-breaking-point.28176/#post-715313

https://forum.exscn.net/threads/gag...he-birth-of-my-child.33959/page-6#post-879983

OK. So, do you know the deal with this guy? This LinkedIn profile is definitely him. Looks like he's had a regular IT job for the last eight plus years.

Doesn't sound like he's even on staff.
 

Alanzo

Bardo Tulpa
OK. So, do you know the deal with this guy? This LinkedIn profile is definitely him. Looks like he's had a regular IT job for the last eight plus years.

Doesn't sound like he's even on staff.
Jim Little's posts describe the moonlighting that all staff in STL have to do.

You remember moonlighting in Scientology orgs, don't you?
 

Type4_PTS

Diamond Invictus SP
I would suggest you spend more effort trying to understand what Alanzo is saying than trying to put him down. Then you might understand.

There is no requirement in understanding someone that you agree with them!

His points about antis acting in a very similar manner as die hard churchies, is fairly plain to me.
Apparently you didn't understand my question I addressed to you.

Here it is again for your convenience:

Why would someone who employs reason spew out an avalanche of lies and logical fallacies, and refuse to answer so many good questions in response to his postings?


Why are you suggesting that I should make more effort trying to understand what Alanzo is saying? How exactly would you know I don't already understand?

How exactly should I engage him (or anyone) in a real discussion when he doesn't respond to so many questions and utilizes lies, ad hom, and other logical fallacies in his postiings?
 

Lulu Belle

Moonbat
Jim Little's posts describe the moonlighting that all staff in STL have to do.

You remember moonlighting in Scientology orgs, don't you?

Oh. Yeah, that makes sense. Busy guy.

The Moonlighting PL was taken out of the last series of green vols, by the way. Before the green vols disappeared altogether.
 

Dotey OT

Cyclops Duck of the North - BEWARE
i remember having to moonlight from the start,and the unit I got paid was reduced as a penalty to the fact that I was moonlighting. It was crazy.
 
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