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I just want these deaths to end. I could have went that way myself but I found the freezone and made my way out of the confusion that followed.

I choose not to toss the baby out with the dirty bath water.

I am now choosing to stop caring for those who dumped me in the church as they would destroy what I follow if they could. We are not on the same side.

I would welcome them after my upset if they came out to join us but till that is they are not us.

I had someone who said who would help get my money back but they dropped off my comm lines twice and so I will not use them. I have am going another direction on that.

It time I closed the church's doors in my life. I can't let my money stay there to hurt others and this is dang hard for me to do.

Barb

SchwimmelPuckel said:
I know! :) - And indeed, with the latest postings, where we can read his own words, it looks like he was a good guy.. Who by the looks of things lost it recently..

Oh, I can relate to using too much time on the net! :whistling: While forgetting work that needs to be done..

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I see your purpose now. I thought you a friend but now I see it.

By reports he was losing it long before he found the freezone and the freezone is not set up to handle cases like this even less than the church is.

I bet his declare had a lot to do with a lot of this. And may be why he was declared.

Barb

Martini said:
One more suggestion for you.... the FZ needs to take more responsibility for members who are running off-beat whole track and winding cases up in a ball. Start taking the subject more seriously like one was working with T.N.T.

Majorski was never brought under any kind of control by the FZ when it was clear he was going nuts right under their noses. A hard, tough attitude about squirreling could have saved his life. But no, FZers have a right to do whatever they please.
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Hey, Scientology declares anyone for whom the tech doesn't work! - NCG's are SP's.. That is a 'technical' DATUM that Hubbard decreed.. They're damned SPs! - So when Mario started to 'go nuts', the reason for that was that he was a damned SP.. Usual Scientology logic, and behavior.. They have that instead of evaluating results.. So what else is new?

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Schwimmy,

Not everyone in the FZ is a purist- the FZ is/has a mix of people and views. Those who are such, however, have the right to BE purists and to not listen to others who propose changes.

I don't believe that a raving nut like this guy obviously was could write better axioms. But there were plenty of NON purists types who might have been interested. Doesn't matter. In the FZ, unlike in some cybersectors of the critic's scene, all sorts of people are welcome.
 
SchwimmelPuckel said:
So it seems to me that Mario Majorski offended the FZ'ers by proposing changes to the sacred tech.. Rewriting Rons Axioms no less..

Heh.. I can understand that would be offensive. FZ'ers being 'fundamentalists' in a sense with that stuff. More so than the official scam and swindle cult in fact..

But I'm real a-hole and an SP.. I don't find it unlikely at all that Mario could write some better Axioms!

Why, honestly, should Hubbards theories be exempt from critical scrutiny?

Hubbard wrote his stuff to hoodwink and enslave. Evil intentions and deceit runs through it all. My guess would be that there's some traps for the mind in the Axioms too.. Something to utilize your thetan for a voodoo doll.. I have to look at those Axioms.

Erh.. Not 'your thetan'.. You ARE a thetan.. As opposed to a 'You'.. Voodoo!

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Damn Schwimmy,

You've seen right through me! :ohmy:

Seriously though, why do all the argumentative threads get the most attention? :confused2:

Ax
 
SchwimmelPuckel said:
Hey, Scientology declares anyone for whom the tech doesn't work! - NCG's are SP's.. That is a 'technical' DATUM that Hubbard decreed.. They're damned SPs! - So when Mario started to 'go nuts', the reason for that was that he was a damned SP.. Usual Scientology logic, and behavior.. They have that instead of evaluating results.. So what else is new?

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Yes it's become clear why the PTS tech turned into what it did. I think there is some validity to it as I have seen some wrecked by what others were doing to there heads. The "church" does this sort of thing to people daily and this was my "pts item". But as time went by and you had clears that still got sick and who needed glasses and people who weren't happy with the results they weren't getting, pts tech evolved into an explanation of this. "The tech always works" so if it doesn't your pts or an asshole.
 
Martini said:
Thanks Mark.

So, what is Pierre's Snr C/S post about? I had the idea he was Snr C/S of all FZ auditing. Is he specifically in one of the groups you mentioned?

Have there been any bad indicators voiced by Pierre's pcs after his auditing?

Does one of the groups you mentioned have a better reputation for standard tech than the others?

Are there places for FZ public to look and see "knowledge reports" on bad auditors or see reports of bad experiences?

Thanks.
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You'll have to ask Pierre. The last I heard he was operating independently.

As to "organizational ethics admin" in the freezone, the short answer is it doesn't exist. The freezone is not a single entity, organization, or institution. Some groups choose to structure themselves along the lines of HCOPLs, but their practices have no standing apart from their own group. My belief based on observation is that most groups do not choose to rely on HCOPLS to structure or adminstrate themselves.

With regard to personal ethics & integrity freezoners generally prefer to handle any actual case factors that are affecting pcs in a way that leaves a pc winning. They leave the vicious suppressive crap to the Co$.


Mark A. Baker
 
Panda Termint said:
Reading the tangent this thread has taken, thanks to some masterful steering, it appears to me that CofS has opted for the "shore story" that any blame for Mario's mental state or behaviour should be assigned to the FZ.

This serves the CofS' purposes VERY well and, if accepted by the media and public as a "truth", will undoubtedly restore OSA's faith in silver linings.

There is only one prime cause responsible for this tragedy, the CofS.
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But it appears that Mario did not get any services in the Freezone. So if OSA tries to use this "silver lining" I think it will backfire beautifully in their face.
 
Martini said:
One more suggestion for you.... the FZ needs to take more responsibility for members who are running off-beat whole track and winding cases up in a ball. Start taking the subject more seriously like one was working with T.N.T.

Majorski was never brought under any kind of control by the FZ when it was clear he was going nuts right under their noses. A hard, tough attitude about squirreling could have saved his life. But no, FZers have a right to do whatever they please.
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I am not a Freezone apologist, in fact I am quite the contrary so to make the connection in passing phrase that I am is kind of startling to me and indicates you have PROBABLY NOT read my post-history here. I suggest you should go back over my posts and see where along I provide anything that suggests otherwise.

On the subject of the Freezone, squirrel technology and Bill Robertson, all I can tell you is the following EncyclopediaDramatica articles I wrote on the subject (which will incidentally answer both questions for you)

www.encyclopediadramatica.com/Freezone
www.encyclopediadramatica.com/Captain_Bill_Robertson

I wanted to just make the Freezone page "LOL THESE ARE MORON CONJECTUROUS SELF AGGRANDIZING IDIOTS WHO PLAY WITH CLAY AND ARE BEDEVILED BY ALIEN GHOSTS" but ED said it had to have text, therefore text appeared and it was nice doings (according to me anyway).
 
Hang in there. Just keep doing what you're doing - and pour the coal to it.

anonmom said:
I really don't know what to add to this tragedy. I don't know Mario but it sickens me that he ended his life like this. So sad that he didn't get real help. But it's OK with me if some people express that he was a genius and other people say he was just a suicidal nut job. People have different perspectives and I don't need to take offense by any one of them. Blaming doesn't help. I wish some good could somehow come out of all this, but I don't see how.
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klidov said:
I was trained to shoot by a retired Police Officer, (and a former Spetznas).

Both trained me the same way:

1) don't pull your weapon unless you are going to use it

and

2) if you're going to use it, kill them.

End of story.
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As a Security Guard here in Oz, I was taught by the guy who wrote the manual for the police, and he kept all the bits that the police threw away, so effectively his students were better trained than the police.

He actually taught us how little time there is if someone is running at you with a knife. A gun is not a camera. You don't have time to plan and compose your shot. We were taught Aim for the center of seen mass. Your objective is to "stop" the assailant. Death just happens to be one of the potential side effects.

I'm left wondering "What's so valuable that it requires armed guards onsite anyway?" Oh, I forgot: RPFers who may try to escape.
 
feline said:
Chuck, you are absolutely correct. It is going to be difficult at best to get correct information out as CoS is already telling current members that the deceased had been a problem for years and had only recently been released from jail. The Dead Agenting has already begun to some extent.

If Mario has friends or family on this forum, please accept my sympathies at this very difficult time. The thoughts and prayers of many are with you.

What seems immediately evident is that he suffered some kind of psychotic break. Suicide by police is a likely scenario but he very obviously CHOSE the police that he wanted for the task.

I know that with patience, more will be revealed. This is all just so tragic.
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It seems to ignorant little me that if he felt so damaged by the cult, it was perhaps his intention to get back at the cult by making them the tool of his death.
 
Pascal said:
Thanks. Scientology is the study of knowledge and truth. Epistemology is synonim. We need workable tech. I use LRH cuz it works for me. I can't talk for others and can understand that they stray in search for other means.

There was no room for Mario in CoS or FZ. If we can learn one thing it's to try and postulate an ideal scene where EVERYONE in ANY STATE is welcome.

CoS presents itself as a religion to recruit people but becomes a heartless mercantilistic business when they ditch you. This betrayal must stop. In and out of the FZ. The real basics for me are basics of religion, to have compassion and offer succor to the poor, halt and mad. To categorise people as "able" as homo sapiens is foolish anyways. Everyone is mad to a certain degree. Why filter? Especially with team players and died in the wool Scientologists like poor Mario.

I'm looking forward to his wins tomorrow at graduation, I'm sure he feels blown away by R2-45 parking lot style (not even coffee shop). :p
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Excuse me for introducing some levity, but I love the word "halt" used as an adjective!

Absolutely right btw, it's simply not right that they can get away with something like this and still be allowed to call themselves a religion.
 
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Dulloldfart said:
I haven't read much of this thread. Been offline with computer trouble.

A couple of years back Mario Majorski joined a FZ Yahoo e-mail list. I exchanged a couple of e-mails with him and rapidly decided he was unhinged. For a year or so after this he sent me - and many others - huge rambling e-mails. I looked on it as spam, called it such, and deleted them unread after the first glance, but he wasn't trying to sell anything other than his crazy ideas.

If a sword-waving nut charges into the middle of a normal place of business with regular people about and they are now suddenly in mortal danger, I see nothing wrong in a security guard shooting him to stop him. Would it be better if the maniac maimed or killed some people first?

In the movies the good guy shoots the weapon out of the bad guy's hand and no-one is even scratched. But let's be real.

I'm just going on the scanty data that there was mortal danger to people there. If this isn't true, then my comments would be different.

Paul
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I don't know how lax the rules are for security guards in the u.s., but like I said before, in real life, you have about two seconds to :

unlock the holster
lift the weapon
let the weapon float in the air for a moment while you correct your grip
take aim at what you can see
fire (how many times, etc. is up to local law and training--I trained alongside a guy who had been trained to specialize in head shots, and another who had previously been trained to always double fire the weapon).

If you had time to "cock" the pistol or fire a warning shot, then you had NO REASON to draw the weapon at that time. If you had time to aim specifically at a hand holding a knife, or to aim at a knee to disable, you had NO REASON to draw the weapon.

Of course, if an exchange of shots is started, then the rules become "a matter of survival".
 
Martini said:
If anything, it should at least call attention to the dangers of the tech. It's not a toy. It would be good if this idea got going in the FZ circles. It would have to be a PR line and not an ethics flow, obviously. But on an individual basis, why not be more firm? That's good control. There is nothing wrong with good control. If they still want to do it, well, at least someone tried. I don't see that effort here in Mario's case. If there was, I would like to know what was done.
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The main FZ forums don't allow upper level discussion. This in itself would get one warnings, or actual moderation, and finally unsubscribing. This may have been why Mario was eventually unsubscribed.

However it is not possible to prevent people reading upper level materials
as they are widely available, and there are probably few posters here who havn't mentioned them at some point for example. Then one would have to censor one's TV watching and avoid such programmes as South Park and even the news.

I personally doubt it was upper level materials that set Mario on his course of action. I'm inclined to thing wrong indications, which would be par for the course on being thrown out of COS and " excommunicated" and
denied ones " immortality".

He came to his freezone friends with the hand of friendship even when
suffering.
 
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