Speculations on the IRS Takeover of the CoS

[Mark A. Baker]

It is very much a MOOT point how many corporations there are in the

Scientology structure and what there stated purposes are AND what Larry

Brennan says about them when in fact they are ALL run dictatorially by one

puppet dictator and his puppet string puller as Miscavige / IRS !

Larry Brennan is a nice guy, but from looking at him, not quite bright.

I do wish you guys would shift gears into high on your confront of Evil.

WAKE UP. I'm lonely !

Problem with your thesis, BS, is that it is all supposition without a shred of actual evidence. The involvement of individuals with prior connection to other agencies does not imply present day control by those agencies.

In contrast to your opinions, Larry Brennan had direct experience with the events leading to the creation of the existing corporate set up of the CST/RTC. Sorry kid, direct knowledge trumps high falutin' conspiracy theory.


Mark A. Baker

 

[Blue Spirit]

Perception

Problem with your thesis, BS, is that it is all supposition without a shred of actual evidence. The involvement of individuals with prior connection to other agencies does not imply present day control by those agencies.

In contrast to your opinions, Larry Brennan had direct experience with the events leading to the creation of the existing corporate set up of the CST/RTC. Sorry kid, direct knowledge trumps high falutin' conspiracy theory.
Mark A. Baker

TRUTH is hardly ever popular here on Earth.

I go by my OT perceptions first and foremost.

Few can perceive Evil well or at all.

I saw it Bigtime in 1968 in the best lab for that, a certain city which is easy to guess.

Whatever was gained in 1993 from the IRS was more than made up for to the negative side

by the loss of the application of the Tech. That should be more than

obvious to 95%+ of the posters here whose cases were never

completed or are downright failed. DM and the IRS are two of a kind.

To think that a Suppressive Group like the IRS is going to ever be kind

to a Religion or ANY group that is bettering mankind is the height of

Lunacy or inability to LOOK. When you are dealing with the Devil it won't

come out well. If you believe the statement by DM at the L.A. Sports Arena

in October, 1993 that we found some friends in the IRS is true then you or

anyone else has been duped Bigtime. DM is an SP of a magnitude almost

unmatched, so we are going to believe his explanations ??

Fundamentally one needs to look at the results of David Miscavige's

leadership on the purpose of Scientology. Tech has never been perfect, but

I've been around long enough to see real results plummet.

A man that would SABOTAGE the tech as he has certainly would not

make any favorable deal with the IRS, would he ???

The modern Sabotaged grade chart, the GAT training, the super-long runway

to be an auditor, the suppressive "Ethics", the general super-reasonableness

of Scientologists bordering on "Sweetness & Light", the inability to Look at

the highest forms of suppression staring one right in the face, the continuous

make wrong of others started by LRH and supercharged by DM, the Regging

for Thursday at 2: in direct opposition to investing fully in each person to

optimize the future for them and their eventual prospering to give much more

in the longrun to the group out of direct appreciation for results obtained by

individual opinion not enforced "wins", true care for your fellow being as

opposed to how much money they are worth today, using front groups for

more money as opposed to following their original good purposes, and

allowing DM to have free reign to destroy everything in sight while no one

applies there PTS/SP tech which would at any point make DM's insane work too obvious.

All of this makes this whole discussion of the wonderful Corporate setup seem

so silly so that as Larry says, they are impossible to sue successfully seems

to be backwards, as a suppressive group that has destroyed lives wholesale SHOULD BE SUED, successfully.

It is Purpose and Sanity of the beings involved that ultimately has determined

the results of this group, so all of the legal maneuverings and corporations

involved has been for nothing because the Super-Suppressive IRS and DM

conspired to destroy all in sight, which clearly was the original intent, as LRH

resisted the IRS enough to fall hook, line and sinker into their well-laid trap,

taking well-meaning folks with them such as Larry Brennan and many others.


AS FAR AS CONSPIRACY IS CONCERNED EARTH HAS BEEN ONE SINCE ITS INCEPTION.

Those who say "I don't believe in Conspiracy theories." (I wonder who started that False PR statement)

are simply euphemistically saying I can't CONFRONT the rather serious situation here, that I've seen personally

since 1968 and LRH gave copious warnings of in the fews years before departing his body.

Thanks to "GADFLY" they can all be read in one place in a recent thread he started, whose name I can't recall.


So all of this "wonderful" corporate sort-out in the final analysis played

directly into the hands of the SP's as LRH was so being a Meglomaniac to

assume he could best the whole US government, etc. He had direct Overts

against the IRS for Inurement and so give ample cause to Motivate what

happened to him and the organization, without him being around to see it, or did he ?

He still has major case in these areas unconfronted, sad to say.

After the 1993 IRS "We Won The War Event" I looked into the Theta universe

to see what I could perceive. What I perceived was "Nothing Has Changed."


So those of you that don't connect the suppression of the Tech which

at one time was quite workable to a rather high point, with the IRS deal and

the original forging of a new will the night Hubbard died while in a coma on a

strong tranquilizer drug are really just really DELUDED FOOLS.

Welcome to Earth !


Larry, what about the 61-page Secret agreement with the IRS, later leaked.

Why did that have to be secret unless it contained things suppressive to Freedom that couldn't be known.

Were you privy to that ??


An interesting side note of this time was when we were all forcibly "invited"
into Lebanon Hall at Big Blue to be informed of the Corporate setup changes,
a white-uniformed S.O. woman declared one of the better auditors (Trey Lotz) directly from the stage while looking at him in the audience. Was that not of the same suppressive flavor of what was going on behind the scenes ? It was a false declare which Trey later handled he told me. Nuts!

Unless there is a plan to get this obvious Conspiracy to destroy the "Church"

reversed in court by Brennan and company, then effectively the IRS has won

the game against the CO$. That would be par for the course for Earth.

THERE IS SUCH A THING AS UNKNOWING COMPLICITY !

Unless the true workable Tech is restored (and I recognize it did not reach to "Total Freedom")

ANY court actions will be MOOT and SUPERFLUOUS and a real joke.

All lawyers do is obfuscate the important things with lots of long and

extensive camouflaged BULLSHIT, so that any TRUE and important purpose iS lost forever.

I don't believe that Meade Emory and a bunch of San Fernando Valley Jewish

lawyers HAD ANY BENEVOLENT CONCEPTS TOWARD A RELIGION OR THE TECH FOR TWO SECONDS.

So you and the other posters here can stay lost in the wonderful Alice-In-Wonderland complexity of lawyers and skip

PURPOSE which is the only thing of value. As LRH said it will be "Very Lonely In The Sky." (soon too)


You might also realize that the same lawyer who formed the CST also forged

the LRH Will that made it easily possible to takeover the TECH.


Mr. Brennan should LOOK further into the Qualities and Purposes of the BEINGS he was working with for their true

motivations. LRH had weaknesses that were fully exploited by the SP's in this game.

I'm sorry for your part in this, Larry, as I don't perceive you as an SP.

GOOD LUCK TO US ALL !!!

 

[Zinjifar]

Larry's story is complicated and detailed and, as a *description* of at least one level of organizational structure, I'm sure it makes sense (as much as it's supposed to anyway, which, it's not, since it's deliberate 'chaff'.)

However, there's nothing that says it's the *only* level of misdirection and, it's almost certain it's not. Behind the veil is yet another veil and another and somewhere out there are black holes.

So, a *full* understanding of Scientology finances, including the 'black' finances, won't be possible except to a team of forensic accountants, and, they can't do their job till we have a corpse. Grid willing.

But, back to the IRS 'control' question:

Look at how Scientology operates. The footbullets; the scandals; the PR Nightmares; the paranoid and megalomanic tilting at 'enemies' of Mankind's Only Hope.

And, ask yourself: Who would act this way?

1) A governmental agency that's in full control of the 'Church'?
2) A group of non-Scientologists intent on exploiting the 'Church' for money?
3) A bat-shit-crazy UFO Cult intent on taking over the world and convinced it has superpowers and absolute knowledge?

Naturally, BS (and other believers) want to believe that something *outside* of Scientology is causing the failure of The Tech; The 'Church'; the 'Movement'. They can't believe the simple parsimonious razor-slashed truth:

Scientology is failing because it must fail because *Scientology Cannot Deliver On Its Promises*.

Noone has to provide Superman's kryptonite to rob Superman of his magical powers; He Has None.

Zinj

 

[Blue Spirit]

SUPERMAN

Larry's story is complicated and detailed and, as a *description* of at least one level of organizational structure, I'm sure it makes sense (as much as it's supposed to anyway, which, it's not, since it's deliberate 'chaff'.)

However, there's nothing that says it's the *only* level of misdirection and, it's almost certain it's not. Behind the veil is yet another veil and another and somewhere out there are black holes.

So, a *full* understanding of Scientology finances, including the 'black' finances, won't be possible except to a team of forensic accountants, and, they can't do their job till we have a corpse. Grid willing.

But, back to the IRS 'control' question:

Look at how Scientology operates. The footbullets; the scandals; the PR Nightmares; the paranoid and megalomanic tilting at 'enemies' of Mankind's Only Hope.

And, ask yourself: Who would act this way?

1) A governmental agency that's in full control of the 'Church'?
2) A group of non-Scientologists intent on exploiting the 'Church' for money?
3) A bat-shit-crazy UFO Cult intent on taking over the world and convinced it has superpowers and absolute knowledge?

Naturally, BS (and other believers) want to believe that something *outside* of Scientology is causing the failure of The Tech; The 'Church'; the 'Movement'. They can't believe the simple parsimonious razor-slashed truth:

Scientology is failing because it must fail because *Scientology Cannot Deliver On Its Promises*.

Noone has to provide Superman's kryptonite to rob Superman of his magical powers; He Has None.

Zinj

I AM Superman, Zinj, so mess with me at your peril.

 

[Dulloldfart]

Problem with your thesis, BS, is that it is all supposition without a shred of actual evidence.

So? "Don't confuse me with facts," as the saying goes.



Paul

 

[Mick Wenlock]

Problem with your thesis, BS, is that it is all supposition without a shred of actual evidence. The involvement of individuals with prior connection to other agencies does not imply present day control by those agencies.

In contrast to your opinions, Larry Brennan had direct experience with the events leading to the creation of the existing corporate set up of the CST/RTC. Sorry kid, direct knowledge trumps high falutin' conspiracy theory.


Mark A. Baker

well, no doubt, ol' BS was bringing all her corporate legal experience to bear in her opinion, along with her vast experience in Scientology management.

 

[xguardian]

TRUTH is hardly ever popular here on Earth.

I go by my OT perceptions first and foremost.

Few can perceive Evil well or at all.

I saw it Bigtime in 1968 in the best lab for that, a certain city which is easy to guess.

Whatever was gained in 1993 from the IRS was more than made up for to the negative side

by the loss of the application of the Tech. That should be more than

obvious to 95%+ of the posters here whose cases were never

completed or are downright failed. DM and the IRS are two of a kind.

To think that a Suppressive Group like the IRS is going to ever be kind

to a Religion or ANY group that is bettering mankind is the height of

Lunacy or inability to LOOK. When you are dealing with the Devil it won't

come out well. If you believe the statement by DM at the L.A. Sports Arena

in October, 1993 that we found some friends in the IRS is true then you or

anyone else has been duped Bigtime. DM is an SP of a magnitude almost

unmatched, so we are going to believe his explanations ??

Fundamentally one needs to look at the results of David Miscavige's

leadership on the purpose of Scientology. Tech has never been perfect, but

I've been around long enough to see real results plummet.

A man that would SABOTAGE the tech as he has certainly would not

make any favorable deal with the IRS, would he ???

The modern Sabotaged grade chart, the GAT training, the super-long runway

to be an auditor, the suppressive "Ethics", the general super-reasonableness

of Scientologists bordering on "Sweetness & Light", the inability to Look at

the highest forms of suppression staring one right in the face, the continuous

make wrong of others started by LRH and supercharged by DM, the Regging

for Thursday at 2: in direct opposition to investing fully in each person to

optimize the future for them and their eventual prospering to give much more

in the longrun to the group out of direct appreciation for results obtained by

individual opinion not enforced "wins", true care for your fellow being as

opposed to how much money they are worth today, using front groups for

more money as opposed to following their original good purposes, and

allowing DM to have free reign to destroy everything in sight while no one

applies there PTS/SP tech which would at any point make DM's insane work too obvious.

All of this makes this whole discussion of the wonderful Corporate setup seem

so silly so that as Larry says, they are impossible to sue successfully seems

to be backwards, as a suppressive group that has destroyed lives wholesale SHOULD BE SUED, successfully.

It is Purpose and Sanity of the beings involved that ultimately has determined

the results of this group, so all of the legal maneuverings and corporations

involved has been for nothing because the Super-Suppressive IRS and DM

conspired to destroy all in sight, which clearly was the original intent, as LRH

resisted the IRS enough to fall hook, line and sinker into their well-laid trap,

taking well-meaning folks with them such as Larry Brennan and many others.


AS FAR AS CONSPIRACY IS CONCERNED EARTH HAS BEEN ONE SINCE ITS INCEPTION.

Those who say "I don't believe in Conspiracy theories." (I wonder who started that False PR statement)

are simply euphemistically saying I can't CONFRONT the rather serious situation here, that I've seen personally

since 1968 and LRH gave copious warnings of in the fews years before departing his body.

Thanks to "GADFLY" they can all be read in one place in a recent thread he started, whose name I can't recall.


So all of this "wonderful" corporate sort-out in the final analysis played

directly into the hands of the SP's as LRH was so being a Meglomaniac to

assume he could best the whole US government, etc. He had direct Overts

against the IRS for Inurement and so give ample cause to Motivate what

happened to him and the organization, without him being around to see it, or did he ?

He still has major case in these areas unconfronted, sad to say.

After the 1993 IRS "We Won The War Event" I looked into the Theta universe

to see what I could perceive. What I perceived was "Nothing Has Changed."


So those of you that don't connect the suppression of the Tech which

at one time was quite workable to a rather high point, with the IRS deal and

the original forging of a new will the night Hubbard died while in a coma on a

strong tranquilizer drug are really just really DELUDED FOOLS.

Welcome to Earth !


Larry, what about the 61-page Secret agreement with the IRS, later leaked.

Why did that have to be secret unless it contained things suppressive to Freedom that couldn't be known.

Were you privy to that ??


An interesting side note of this time was when we were all forcibly "invited"
into Lebanon Hall at Big Blue to be informed of the Corporate setup changes,
a white-uniformed S.O. woman declared one of the better auditors (Trey Lotz) directly from the stage while looking at him in the audience. Was that not of the same suppressive flavor of what was going on behind the scenes ? It was a false declare which Trey later handled he told me. Nuts!

Unless there is a plan to get this obvious Conspiracy to destroy the "Church"

reversed in court by Brennan and company, then effectively the IRS has won

the game against the CO$. That would be par for the course for Earth.

THERE IS SUCH A THING AS UNKNOWING COMPLICITY !

Unless the true workable Tech is restored (and I recognize it did not reach to "Total Freedom")

ANY court actions will be MOOT and SUPERFLUOUS and a real joke.

All lawyers do is obfuscate the important things with lots of long and

extensive camouflaged BULLSHIT, so that any TRUE and important purpose iS lost forever.

I don't believe that Meade Emory and a bunch of San Fernando Valley Jewish

lawyers HAD ANY BENEVOLENT CONCEPTS TOWARD A RELIGION OR THE TECH FOR TWO SECONDS.

So you and the other posters here can stay lost in the wonderful Alice-In-Wonderland complexity of lawyers and skip

PURPOSE which is the only thing of value. As LRH said it will be "Very Lonely In The Sky." (soon too)


You might also realize that the same lawyer who formed the CST also forged

the LRH Will that made it easily possible to takeover the TECH.


Mr. Brennan should LOOK further into the Qualities and Purposes of the BEINGS he was working with for their true

motivations. LRH had weaknesses that were fully exploited by the SP's in this game.

I'm sorry for your part in this, Larry, as I don't perceive you as an SP.

GOOD LUCK TO US ALL !!!

I agree with your conclusions...( knowing full well many on this board disliked my previous postings accompanied by purposeful "smoke" here and there) but nevertheless my tenure with the Guardians Office did unearth much evidence that the IRS did in fact takeover CoS.

With it's association with Interpol and the World Bank's ties to the layered "powers that be"... no one will ever be able to provide dox as to the true intent and identity of those "powers".

LRH's "Cosmic" Theology of the warring factions, are not perhaps of sci-fi origin, but these games have been played by the "bored elite/power bgrokers"
from time immemorial. Some say it' the five families that control the chessboard whether Masonic, Religio/politico and or "whatever"....supposition will prevail until the "King of the Hill" manifests, if that is the game.

I personally kind of see it LRH's way at least in regards to "game conditions" by very evil people who enjoy the power of life and death over the pawns they make of their victims.

While I do not agree that LRH tech was the end all to attainment of spiritual freedom, he was genius in transposing principles from agreed upon practices of other spiritual disciplines into his own terminology and methodology of Dianetics.

The key ingredient being simply that whatever method to stay in "Present time" one uses, works! "Exteriorization" is overrated.

 

[Axiom142]

TRUTH is hardly ever popular here on Earth.

I go by my OT perceptions first and foremost.

Is that another way of saying that you don’t bother to gather the facts, examine then rationally and drawn a conclusion from those facts, but instead jump to conclusions based on a nebulous ‘feeling’ that you choose to call ‘OT perceptions’. Perceptions that are conveniently impossible to demonstrate?

Few can perceive Evil well or at all.

I saw it Bigtime in 1968 in the best lab for that, a certain city which is easy to guess.

Whatever was gained in 1993 from the IRS was more than made up for to the negative side

by the loss of the application of the Tech. That should be more than

obvious to 95%+ of the posters here whose cases were never

completed or are downright failed.

Hear we go again!

“You lot are all stuck in your cases so cannot see what I can see, and even if you weren’t, I’m still much more able than you are!”

This sort of arrogance is very common in the CoS and one of the things that annoyed me so much. And it wasn’t even justified in most cases – those displaying it were often less able and rational than most non-Scientologists.

Larry, what about the 61-page Secret agreement with the IRS, later leaked.

Why did that have to be secret unless it contained things suppressive to Freedom that couldn't be known.

Perhaps it was secret because the IRS didn’t want anyone else to know that they were giving the CoS favourable treatment with tax breaks?

I don't believe that Meade Emory and a bunch of San Fernando Valley Jewish lawyers HAD ANY BENEVOLENT CONCEPTS TOWARD A RELIGION OR THE TECH FOR TWO SECONDS.

Careful – your bigotry is showing there. How is being Jewish relevant? :confused2:

I'm sorry for your part in this, Larry, as I don't perceive you as an SP.

Well, I’m sure that Larry is mighty relieved at this. Being pronounced an SP by you would be a devastating blow to anyone, what with your superior OT perceptions and all.

I find Larry to be an exceptionally honest and convincing witness to what really happened during this period. You might learn something from the way that he conducts himself.

PS And what is with the weird
line formatting and double spacing of

lines? :confused2:

Axiom142

 

[Axiom142]

Oh what the heck.

Since there have been so many threads on different forums about CST and the IRS, etc., I thought I would write a posting that goes into more detail of what was behind the formation of CST in the hopes that people will understand it better and thus deal with it better.

So here's a link to the posting I just did.

Warning it is long and boring. But it might help:

http://exscnforum.com/index.php/church-spiritual-technology-little-background-t114.html

Thanks Larry.

I find your posts on this matter to be a breath of fresh air and make total sense (unlike some of the inane ramblings we sometimes get). Your insights as to what occurred during this infamous period of an infamous organization are invaluable to those of us who wish to know what really happened.

I thought that you responded to the insulting and rather silly rhetoric aimed at you with admirable dignity and restraint. The obvious conclusion that I came to, was that BS = BS.

Axiom142

 

[sallydannce]

Oh what the heck.

Since there have been so many threads on different forums about CST and the IRS, etc., I thought I would write a posting that goes into more detail of what was behind the formation of CST in the hopes that people will understand it better and thus deal with it better.

So here's a link to the posting I just did.

Warning it is long and boring. But it might help:

http://exscnforum.com/index.php/church-spiritual-technology-little-background-t114.html

Long? Yes. Boring? No!

Extremely useful.

Many thanks Larry. I appreciate your work.

 

[Terril park]

Hey Terril

Neither DM nor LRH were very smart in legal matters. They would often dream up crazy stuff and then just tell legal to "make it go right". One of the reasons why DM failed so badly in trying to get the corporate evolution done before we took it over included constant, wild dreamed up solutions that just could not be made go right legally.

They wasted a great deal of time and money dreaming up solutions and giving them to attorneys for comments. They would then end up with hundreds of pages of comments from attorneys on why their solutions would not work. Lots of back and forth descussing "solutions" drempt up by people who had no business suggesting legal solutions.

What they should have done was state what they wanted to accomplish (for example WDC being able to control most things without inheriting undue legal liability for running the orgs or maybe how to control the tech using intellectual property rights while minimising legal liability for doing same, etc., etc.) and then ask lawyers how they might best accomplish that legally. Lawyers could then focus on defining and explaining the issues and then trying to design a legal solution that would let management do what it wants.

To an inexperienced person in legal matters these two approaches may seen similiar but they are very, very different. The first approach (DM's approach) dreams up insane solutions like WDC being a separate for profit corporation, etc. and then wastes countless weeks and countless hundreds of thousands of dollars hearing from attorneys why their dreamed up legal solutions are not workable.

The other approach, the one we tried to take, got a multitude of attorneys with different areas of speciality all quickly defining the issues and working on solutions that would meet the operational needs as defined by management.

For example, even if you wanted to secure most of the orgs' money in a central location and not let orgs spend it, you don't dream up some billings or other legal solutions and then ask attorneys if those solutions are ok. Instead you just tell the attorneys how you would like to control that money centrally and then get those attorneys working on defining the issues legally and working on a solution to do same with minimal legal liability from all perspectives (taxes, tax exempt status, lntellectual property rights, potential damages cases, etc., etc.).

That's why you have attorneys with different areas of speciality and why you need to coordinate what they do so that they come out with workable solutions from all legal perspectives as well as based on the needs of management. But if management tries to dream up their own legal solutions at the beginning of this process it all goes to hell in a handbucket. Management can always reject a proposed solution from the attorneys, better brief the attorneys and then get a more workable solution. Plus you never have the legal tail wagging the management dog. The key though is let each specialist work on his or her area, not have a non legal person suggesting legal solutions to a legal expert. See what I mean?

Plus there are so many legal issues in much of the corporate sortout that need coordination and we made coordination a huge part of our missions. We even hired an attorney (Larry May) with the sole job of helping coordinate the input from the other more specialized attorneys. This was vital as a "legal solution" from just one legal perspective (say from the view of controlling and licensing intellectual property) could be disasterous from another perspective (such as looking at it from the view of potential damages cases or even yet another perspective such as how it affects each organizations potential tax exempt status).

DM did not understand legal enough to grasp this concept at all. He had no real experience nor background in all those legal areas (tax, damages, tax emempt status, intellectual property rights, etc.). That alone would make it impossible to work out such a complicated corporate structure.

Of course we thought we were really going to put in some real changes with the new structure, especially as we spent millions designing it. But DM ended up making it all a lie when he took over with total dictoral control ignoring all the newly worked out structure.

Oh well lol

Bottom line is a poor understanding of legal combined with a stupid "know it all" attitude getting attorneys off the real issues and wasting time addressing nonsense.

Anyway FWIW that's part of the story of why he did not work it out before.

Whew!

Thanks Larry for more insight.

No I can't fully follow in detail. I'm a mere FEBC, DSEC.

May the force be with you.

 

[Lovinglife625]

Whew!

Thanks Larry for more insight.

No I can't fully follow in detail. I'm a mere FEBC, DSEC.

May the force be with you.

LOL Terril, thanks.

I suspect you are much smarter than you lead on. I also suspect that you're a nice guy and would be a good friend to have.

When I was over Branch 1 legal in the USGO (which basically means over all legal matters that are ourside of the courts) probably almost every org Assistant Guardian in the USA had to apprentice under me, if only for a week or two (some for up to a couple of months). That was when those AGs went to the USGO for full time training and part of that out of necessity included Branch 1 legal.

Also, in the five years after that when I was the L Branch 1 Dir at GOWW and thus over all of organized scientology's legal matters outside of the courts, many GO Execs from around the world had to apprentice under me. That included continential Deputy Guardians such as for Canada, EU, etc.

Bottom line I have worked with a lot of people who hated legal or thought legal was really complicated and did my best to train them on at least the real basics that applied to organized scientology.

I've seen all kinds. And for what it's worth I suspect that you would have picked it up quickly and been very good at it. I really feel that is the case. To me you are like the "Columbo" of legal branch 1. (Remember that detective "Columbo" who acted like he was clueless but in fact was very, very smart)?

I think you're Columbo on this matter. lol

Anyway, it was nice "chatting".

Oh and for all you others "defending my honor" in earlier posts, ah shucks,thanks folks!!!

To BS - peace and good luck in whatever you do. I suggest we just "agree to disagree"