Who is who at Int/Gold? Updated July 07

Bea Kiddo

Crusader
Bea Kiddo.

I am sorry to have created the situation where you appear to be confused.

You saw what you saw.

I post under a pseudonym, and additionally some elements of my supporting persona are manufactured for the purpose of creating confusion about my true identity.

I have left the impression of both genders intentionally.

I enjoy the freedom of the internet to be who I SAY I am, of course with the corresponding limits to credibility that implies.

It is liberating and amusing to post as a gender not ones own, and compare the response.

Again, sorry.

alex

No need to apologize.

The female in the pic I saw looks very familiar to me.
 

alex

Gold Meritorious Patron
Sounds like some confusion. Alex has been posting to ARS for a few years now, and, all I can really say is that I don't 'know' any better now what 'Alex' is than I did when he started :)

Just what he *says* he is. And, that's completely unlikely.

Still, he's generally fairly polite and intelligent, except when he gets pulled into Black PR and DA ops and, I tend to see that as not of his own 'origination'.

Zinj

And that you find it so unlikely that I am not purely an op is your blind spot.

You are unable to reconcile the notion that I so well know the problems of, and abuses by, the church, yet so stubbornly insist that there is value in scientology. How could I if I were not an op? It is in contradiction to basic premises you hold.

IE:

It is not possible for church members to express their own opinion.

The church is able to monitor and control its members.

Members accept everything they are told.

You seem to have fallen into the trap of dualistic thinking, missing out on the vast middle path of life where incredible things occur. They dont always make sense...but there they are none the less.

:)

alex (you can just keep thinking of me as a man)
 

Zinjifar

Silver Meritorious Sponsor
And that you find it so unlikely that I am not purely an op is your blind spot.

You are unable to reconcile the notion that I so well know the problems of, and abuses by, the church, yet so stubbornly insist that there is value in scientology. How could I if I were not an op? It is in contradiction to basic premises you hold.

IE:

It is not possible for church members to express their own opinion.

The church is able to monitor and control its members.

Members accept everything they are told.

You seem to have fallen into the trap of dualistic thinking, missing out on the vast middle path of life where incredible things occur. They dont always make sense...but there they are none the less.

:)

alex (you can just keep thinking of me as a man)

If I thought you were doing other than your usual dissemble-song-and-dance my feelings might be hurt. Oh Alex, you misjudge me so cruelly!

:)

But, things being as they are, I'll take it in stride.

1) I don't think you're *purely* an 'OP'. Unlike *some* OPs, you seem to be a single person, rather than a 'hat'. So, I suspect you have some real existence and that your actual 'personality' shines through the smoke screen.

2) The 'out-point' in your 'cover story' for me isn't what you mention, but, instead that, while claiming to be a Scientologist (even a *Church* Scientologist) for personal spiritual reasons, you quite vocally support the very unspiritual 'movement' aspects of Scientology, such as KSW, the 'Church', 'Fair Game' and the organization as a whole, despite your purported objections to 'Current Management'. You go so far as to 'justify' even the worst of 'Church' activities as 'self-defense'.

3) It is quite possible for 'Church' members to 'express their own opinion', as long as that opinion is in 100% compliance with 'Church' policy and PR or not expressed 'publicly'. Anything else will very shortly lead to 'non-membership' :)

As to the 'Church' being able to monitor and control its 'members'; tcha.
It's highly unlikely; to the point of absurdity to think that you are what you claim to be; have posted as long as you have to ARS *without* the 'Church' knowing who you are.

One of your primary 'purposes' seems to have been to 'demonstrate' that it *is* possible to be a unique and publicly critical Scientologist within the 'Church'.

I'm not sure who's buying that, but, it aint me :)

As to members accepting what they're told... well, they damn well *claim* to; or else.

And thanks for the permission to continue to see you as a 'man', but, thanks to your kind permission, I will instead see you as a rip-roaring Bull Dyke, publicly giving the lie to claims that the 'Church' is homophobic :)

Anyway, glad to have you around here (and on ARS) mostly (except when you get really disgustingly nasty.) You're one of the best. Right up there with Bill Yaude, MikeSmith3 and Ron's Amigo.

Zinj

3)
 

alex

Gold Meritorious Patron
If I thought you were doing other than your usual dissemble-song-and-dance my feelings might be hurt. Oh Alex, you misjudge me so cruelly!

:)

But, things being as they are, I'll take it in stride.

1) I don't think you're *purely* an 'OP'. Unlike *some* OPs, you seem to be a single person, rather than a 'hat'. So, I suspect you have some real existence and that your actual 'personality' shines through the smoke screen.



2) The 'out-point' in your 'cover story' for me isn't what you mention, but, instead that, while claiming to be a Scientologist (even a *Church* Scientologist) for personal spiritual reasons, you quite vocally support the very unspiritual 'movement' aspects of Scientology, such as KSW, the 'Church', 'Fair Game' and the organization as a whole, despite your purported objections to 'Current Management'. You go so far as to 'justify' even the worst of 'Church' activities as 'self-defense'.



3) It is quite possible for 'Church' members to 'express their own opinion', as long as that opinion is in 100% compliance with 'Church' policy and PR or not expressed 'publicly'. Anything else will very shortly lead to 'non-membership' :)



4) As to the 'Church' being able to monitor and control its 'members'; tcha.
It's highly unlikely; to the point of absurdity to think that you are what you claim to be; have posted as long as you have to ARS *without* the 'Church' knowing who you are.


5) One of your primary 'purposes' seems to have been to 'demonstrate' that it *is* possible to be a unique and publicly critical Scientologist within the 'Church'.

I'm not sure who's buying that, but, it aint me :)



6) As to members accepting what they're told... well, they damn well *claim* to; or else.



7) And thanks for the permission to continue to see you as a 'man', but, thanks to your kind permission, I will instead see you as a rip-roaring Bull Dyke, publicly giving the lie to claims that the 'Church' is homophobic :)



Anyway, glad to have you around here (and on ARS) mostly (except when you get really disgustingly nasty.) You're one of the best. Right up there with Bill Yaude, MikeSmith3 and Ron's Amigo.



Zinj

3)

If I am other than as I say, then it is due to my lack of self awareness/examination rather than to conscious dissembling.

(of course discounting the superficial embellishments to protect my personal life)

1 I knew youd jump on the "purely"!

Yes my personality does show, both the good and the rather nasty. Posting is partly an exercise of looking in a mirror. I put me out there and see what others see me as. That is a lot of my motivation, selfish ego satisfaction.

2 Please dont make me recreate my rant on ksw again for you. Suffice to say ksw would not be objectionable if applied with appropriate gradient and arc/krc. (except of course for you)

3 Wrong. I cant give you the examples I would love to, but I have family members who have been public officials and who spoke openly about scientology and in some cases, critically, yet were invited to their ot levels and remain scientologists.

4 Yes it is interesting. It gives validity to the notion that even if I am not an op, I am at least doing the work of one, since it seems that "they" dont stop me. No one from OSA has ever contacted me, although I know the security outness that would allow them to identify me rather easily. (since plugged)

5 My discussions, rather heated and lengthy of nots and such, and my repeated dismissive statements concerning cob on ARS seem to me to be beyond what would be needed to be allowed to accomplish that.

6) Bull shit. Its true for me when its true for me.

7) Thats gives me a picture...short cropped red hair, chunk cut with a pocket knife, scottish or icelandish features, but way buff (think ripped like dave batista) with a bit of courtney love "fuck you or something" attitude, a tat of a severed penis, between my breasts, which arent well hidden, and a stare that shrivels you in a way past viagra's help. The way to happiness in one hand and two hco goons behind me as I lead you into the "confessional". Perhaps a bit of black leather and your bladder will fail...KSW zingy, lets go talk about KSW....


Thank you for elevating me to near legend status, but that is just your blindness in play.


alex
 

Little Bear Victor

Silver Meritorious Patron
What happened to the Javier Ruiz and his wife? They are not longer in ASI.

Javier went to EU on a mission in 2006 and was busted for some ridiculous "out-ethics indicator" by DM, and put on some low post there. (I think he was D/CO Properties ASI before that.) Pretty soon after Barbara (who was ED ASI) disappeared never to be heard from again and a new ED ASI came was put on post. I don't know what happened to them, but they're smart people so probably got the heck out of there. I really liked them both; knew them for quite a long time.

V
 

albert036

Patron
Yes me too. Sometimes Barbara was a bit harsh with people, but with me she was always nice -- unless of course I fucked up. I didn't get to spend a lot of time with Javier but he seemed okay too, very up-tone happy guy -- maybe that was the out-ethics indicator!


Javier went to EU on a mission in 2006 and was busted for some ridiculous "out-ethics indicator" by DM, and put on some low post there. (I think he was D/CO Properties ASI before that.) Pretty soon after Barbara (who was ED ASI) disappeared never to be heard from again and a new ED ASI came was put on post. I don't know what happened to them, but they're smart people so probably got the heck out of there. I really liked them both; knew them for quite a long time.

V
 

notLRH

Patron
Brousseau, John (“JB”) – (Post unknown)
Tidman (Broker), Ann Marie (“Annie”) – Audio Div Pgms Ops I/T
Suarez, Paco – LRH Host
Al–Jibouri, Scheherazade (“Sheri”) H – Dir Income Gold
Arbuckle, Tamia – Cleaner, Services Gold
Barnett (Brousseau?), Mary Clarisse – A/V Manufacturing Gold
Cancilla, Nicholas Mark – Audio Gold
Clifford, Amelia (“Amy”) – on Book Manufacturing Project
Clifford, Ronald Fredric – HEM
Equez, Wilson – Chief Gaffer Cine
Hubbard (Ryan), Diana – IMPR Speechwriter
Laner (Horner), Margaret Jane – Binder, A/V Manufacturing Dissem Gold
Maio (Cruzen, nee Jory), Geray – Dir A/V Manufacturing, Dissem Gold
Markowitz, Mats – Engineering Gold
Mithoff, Gelda – Researcher R Comps
Press, Gary Leland – Gaffer, Video Shoot Team
Reid, Martin Edward – Estates Sec Gold
Seybold, Kenny R. – Sportsfield I/C Gold
Spurlock, Carol Nash – Dissem O/O Gold
Turner, Byron Leon (“Leroy”) – Plumber, Estates Gold
Waldmann, Robert Beny (“Waldo”) – Lawns I/C Estates Gold
Wiese, Susann J (“Carmen”) – Audio (possibly in SP Room)
Woodard, Jessica Grace – Examiner, Qual Gold
Arbuckle, Mary – ex Typesetter I/T R Comps
Ingber, Liz – ex Admin Compiler, CO CMO Gold
Ingber, Mark Allen – ex Admin Comps I/C R Comps, CO CMOI, WDC Pubs
Jaramillo (Yager), Michelle Lynette – ex Book Editor RComps, Proofreading I/C, Port Captain CMOI, Snr Messenger
Koon, Susan Jane – ex Compilations Dir RComps (RTRC Dir)
Reynolds, Wendell A. – ex Berthing Construction I/C, Int Finance Dir, CO Gold
Spurlock, Lyman Doyle jr. – ex Int Finance Dir, Building 36 Sanitation Engineer, RTC Legal man without a post title
Starkey, Norman F – ex MCI Cleaner, AVC Aide, Trustee ASI
Wiese, Gary Stephen – ex Post Prod Dir Cine (offloaded?)
Yager, Marc A. – ex IMPR Events Execution Off, CO CMOI, D/CO Prod CMOI, IG Admin, Snr Messenger
Allcock, Wick – CMU, Applied Scholastics?
Bateman, Don
Browning, Bob – R Comps Compiler, sent to FLO with command team
Brugger (Swanson), Janadair – D/CO CMOI, PAC RPF, posted in PAC
Byrne (Morrison, Wilhoit), Betsy – LRH Artist, offloaded
Byrnes, Larry – on Basics Project at Int, back in PAC, “SO Member #6” (the 6th one to join the SO when it was started)
Cupp, Jim – Estates
Delderfield, Ken – MatEI, offloaded
Eldridge, Mike
Engelhart, Dave
Engelhart, Laurie
Horner, Ted – blown
Koon, Donald C. (“Dan”) – Tech Comps Dir, Snr C/S Int Exec Off, Snr C/S Int, Copywriter CMU, blown
Miscavige, Bitty – D/IG, offloaded
Miscavige, Ronnie – MEI, offloaded
Petticrew, Jim – Cine, PAC RPF
Swanson, Marcus – Cameraman Cine, offloaded
Willett (Nunn), Bernadette – Auditor Gold, RPF, Chief Steward PBC
 

notLRH

Patron
Woops. The above list of people was meant to have my reply with it.

Anyway, these are the ones I remember from the entire list of people. It's pretty long by itself. I'm happy to see some have blown, but have a little pity for those who stayed.

There are some not on the list that I wonder a little about their fate. I won't try to think of all, but some that come to mind:

Ron Pook "Pookie" - he was at one time the chaplain. A very nice older man when I was just a youngster.

Collin Freeman and wife Jonie Freeman - very nice people. He from Australia, she of oriental descent.

Byrnes, James? (wife is Betsy)

David and Claire Rousseau (he was called DR) - I think they left in the 80s.

Steve and Gail Irwin - She was at one time CMO Int leader (forgot the lingo) and he worked in the courier area, always driving to LA to get things.

Diana ??, married a guy named Fritz, but can't remember their last name. Diana was also the head of CMO Int at one time and Fritz worked with Steve Irwin in the courier area. I think it was called the Telex room.

Paul ??? - he worked as sound editor in the archives - from Australia, I think. Good soccer player.

Terrie Armstrong and sister, can't remember her name, and their brother Peter, all children of a nice lady who was married to Heber Jentsch. Terrie was married to someone, forget his name. Peter was in finance. Can't remember his last name. They were all from Australia.

I might have deleted his name from the long list, but there was a guy who was cameraman... can't remember either of his names...

Pat Murray and wife, can't remember her name - oh yea, Melanie. Pat had worked in Hollywood before going to SU. His wife was in the CMO.

Funny thing about Janadair is that she was at one time a real hot shot ethics person and I think was responsible for the most part in my leaving. Interesting to see her husband Marcus gone.

These names are bringing up lots of memories from about 30yrs ago.

I already asked once, but will repeat it now. Anyone know where I can get ahold of any of the films made, say the first 15 or so, aside from CHCC (Case He Couldn't Crack)? I'm talking about the TR films, known originally as TR-8, TR-2, etc (I think I remember that correctly).
 

notLRH

Patron
" An SP will get rid of the best staff members" L.Ron Hubbard. if Greg Hughes is in the SP Hall, I am convinced that INt is really on it's way out. David Miscarraige is an SP.

I've never heard of SP Hall. What is it, a place where these people live?
 

free1996

Patron with Honors
more mames

Bert Drake?
Erin Selle?
Andrea clark?
Joanne clark?
Lorianne Issacsen?

Where are they now? They were also at INT
 

nowout

Patron with Honors

Little Bear Victor

Silver Meritorious Patron
Correct. Bert is still there, married and divorced enough times. His last GF ended up on ANZO RPF, many moons back.

Erin Selle is at PAC.

Joanne Clark was in Qual Gold last I know.

Andrea Clark and Lorianne Isaacsen were long since sent to some other SO facility, possibly Flag.

Kerry Clark is at Gold, on the CD line, and is married to Lelanya (Kline).
 

free1996

Patron with Honors
To Alex

I'm sorry you are a fake. Why don't you be honest with yourself and ethical with Scientology. Everyone can tell you that you posting on this site is enough for Scientology to slap a enturbalation order on you as well as a suppressive person.And if that happens, trust me you will never become OT8 .Go ahead, be honest and see where it gets you.

You believe in the tech as alot of us do or did-but being a Scientologist that wants to get the tech and move up the bridge and clear thier bank has to be 100% willing to accept it. Are you actually paying for services acting as a different person as you do here?

I hope one day you see that those who post on this site are true people with real experiences and not fucken blind as you have been or pretend to be. I only hope Scientology doesn't make you their next victim.
 

OHTEEATE

Silver Meritorious Patron
Trust

The public are trusted this much:

In 1988 I 'finished' OT 7 and started set-up auditing for OT 8 at Flag. A few weeks later I did my leaving sec check, which went quickly. I left for the Freewinds and arrived the same day, 1 day after finishing my leaving sec check. First action? You guessed it, my 'arriving' sec check for the Freewinds. Just to catch any little indiscretions I may have commited in transit.....more FBI, CIA plant questions, etc. It's all a bullshit way to get your money out of you, at $600 plus an hour, using a person who makes about 50 cents an hour.

So, if you are still hanging by your fingernails, wanting those "OT" abilities, realize that all the way up, and to the OT 8 end of the Pier to Total Freedom, you will be bled of every last nickel you will ever hope to have. My brother in laws sister in law spent $80,000 on setups and OT 8. Nice little racket.
 

alex

Gold Meritorious Patron
I'm sorry you are a fake. Why don't you be honest with yourself and ethical with Scientology. Everyone can tell you that you posting on this site is enough for Scientology to slap a enturbalation order on you as well as a suppressive person.And if that happens, trust me you will never become OT8 .Go ahead, be honest and see where it gets you.

You believe in the tech as alot of us do or did-but being a Scientologist that wants to get the tech and move up the bridge and clear thier bank has to be 100% willing to accept it. Are you actually paying for services acting as a different person as you do here?

I hope one day you see that those who post on this site are true people with real experiences and not fucken blind as you have been or pretend to be. I only hope Scientology doesn't make you their next victim.

I hope that I am playing a more complex game than us vs them in what I do.

And I hope that I do not make others on this board feel as if they are not "true". I believe what others on the board say, as being their true experience of their lives.

Did I say I was fake? I use a pseudonym....but what I post is deeply felt and honest. The protection of my ANONYMITY allows that. In fact I find that being realitively disconnected from my real identity provides freedom to say things I might not otherwise, not only about scientology, but about myself and my feelings. They are mine, I do not ask that they be yours.

I appreciate your concern for me, but know that I am aware of the inconveniences that I may encounter and very aware of the culture of the church. I will be fine.

I will gladly sacrifice "ot 8" for the experience of what I am actually living.

:)

alex (who was once a mighty and powerful spirit, at least in his own mind)
 
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