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Mark,

We've met. I organized that meeting at Peet's Coffee in Santa Monica several years ago. I've done some things to support Louise, and handle Ken's estate.

I should be back in La La Land next week, would you like to get together?

If we can agree on stuff, would you be interested in the discussion item of my auditing you, and maybe discussing food, nutrition, etc in conjunction with auditing?

This is pro bono. It would be research on OUR part. We could maybe start face to face and move to over the telephone. I don't have a specific agenda. We could, perhaps, formulate one.
 
I took my queue from Dr. Gerbode, who pointed out that he'd had success with people using SSRIs and even Lithium. Personally, if they are there, and interested in handling something, that means to me that they are ready to go. It might get rough, but I believe the old mantra that doing something is better than doing nothing.

Sarge should know. :thumbsup:

Drugs are definitely NOT optimal. Depending on the what's & whys they MAY be a preventative.

But most of the time medicinals need NOT be a STOP.


Mark A. Baker
 
I googled up "SSRI"

I had no idea what that meant.

It has to do with keeping serotonin present in the brain. The whole concept made sense to me.

S4K, have you ever audited (by the way this is a question, not an attack)?

*If* where you are coming from is purely theoretical regarding drugs, I'd like to comment just below the next paragraph.

If you have practiced helping a wide range of people, you experience vis a vis drugs in you thoughts about them, would be appreciated.

For me, from age 14 to age 17 I smoked grass and dropped acid (several times). I went to the last Beatles concert at Candlestick Park with friends. We smoked cocaine treated grass. These friends (including myself) mostly went clear. One ended up close to homeless and dead (Skip Spence, an amazing talent). I wasn't particularly fucked up by drugs any more than I was by Scientology (the cult, not the tech). There was absolute good attained, just as Leary, Alpert, and Metzner promised.I quit dope to do Scientology.

Alan calls these experiences "ascencion." That is as good as any other label.

I tend to think some dope (I use the term lightly), sports (action NOT - watched), sex, auditing (either flow one or two), alcohol, and death or near death cause or accompany out of body and / or expanded beingness experiences.

In the experiences that I have had, I definitely transcended term / opp term, or, if you will, bi-polarity. Call it oneness perhaps.

The big caveat is that when (or if) you come down, all of the bi-polarity, disconnection, charge, resistance, individuation come fully to view and or restimulation.

Cue: The Byrds "Eight Miles High"

Leary said: "Turn on, tune in, drop out"

meaning:

get high (expanded awareness)

get focused

drop out of meaningless activity

Through drugs, auditing, and physical activities i've experienced incredible highs--- reaching infinity. It has been a real trip rearranging my priorities having experienced infinitude.

To sum it up for myself: Life is a game, play it! Respect others.
 
Carmelo,

I have many hours on the chair both ways.

I just consider myself more "standard" than most here, not that it should indicate anything on this particular board.

That is all, different realities.

It is sad to see tho.

MR
 
S4K,

we all come, quite honestly, from our own experiences, and our own
"take on" or decisions about those experiences.

I'm a laissez-faire capitalist. I LOVE it that we have a free "idea marketplace"- unlike the Co$, which tells you what to think.

From the Family Dog (Chet Helms) and the Avalon Ballroom days in The City by the Bay, "May the baby Jesus, open your eyes and close your mouth"

I learn a lot more by listening and reading and watching than I do by talking.

So, based on your experiences (you've read mine), WHY NO DRUGS? This is a forum. I'm not going to learn a damn thing by my pecking on the keyboard. I mean no attack or refutation whatsoever.




Carmelo,

I have many hours on the chair both ways.

I just consider myself more "standard" than most here, not that it should indicate anything on this particular board.

That is all, different realities.

It is sad to see tho.

MR
 

gomorrhan

Gold Meritorious Patron
Carmelo,

I have many hours on the chair both ways.

I just consider myself more "standard" than most here, not that it should indicate anything on this particular board.

That is all, different realities.

It is sad to see tho.

MR
What is sad? Drugs only function because they attach to neuroreceptors in our brains: those receptors are THERE, because the brain has use for them. Stimulating particular receptors (or blocking them) doesn't effect a spiritual being, that being has no connection to a body, except by consideration, so why is it sad to play with the brain's chemistry and alter it to tailor your perceptions?
 
Carmelo,

If i learn something from reading the words of people i dont know and will prob never meet then so be it.

I rather observe what is there to see and from people in my dynamics and that is what my reality is.

I have seen effects of drugs infront of my eyes and to deny them is sad.

That is what is sad, for anyone.


MR

PS: keep typing tho, someone may believe that rubbish.
 
What is sad? Drugs only function because they attach to neuroreceptors in our brains: those receptors are THERE, because the brain has use for them. Stimulating particular receptors (or blocking them) doesn't effect a spiritual being, that being has no connection to a body, except by consideration, so why is it sad to play with the brain's chemistry and alter it to tailor your perceptions?


It is sad that it aint the 60s no more...

Those notions of realities affected by chemicals are for the looneys man!

I rather affect my reality by myself with no aids and for my benefit and of those around me (whether or not sci one must admit there is nothing wrong with that statement)

That is true!


MR

PS: this is my personal view and others may have theirs, i like mine and that is why i have it, you like yours and prob thats why you have it.
 

gomorrhan

Gold Meritorious Patron
Really, your body doesn't act as an aid? You can affect things directly? If so, why do you have a body? If you have a body, and it is an aid, why wouldn't you tailor it to your desires? If drugs have that use, why not use them?
 
Really, your body doesn't act as an aid? You can affect things directly? If so, why do you have a body? If you have a body, and it is an aid, why wouldn't you tailor it to your desires? If drugs have that use, why not use them?


My body is my TOOL.

I affect things with this tool i have commanded by ME.

I suggest not to use them because of the side effects ALL or MOST drugs have on your body at the short/long term.

Besides there are already enough additives and such in the water food and air that we live with every day... Why More?

Why not less?

I have not taken ANY drug in ... mmm... 8 years more or less and i mean NOT ONE drug or medication!

And i have gotten sick once in 8 years and i aint no young pup either!

I will keep it that way.

MR
 

Terril park

Sponsor
TECH outside COS: Freezone with Anon at founding Church Washington DC.

TECH outside COS: Freezone with Anon at founding
Church Washington DC.

Well, I went to the demonstration in front of the
Founding Church of
Washington DC.

I had my banner and Diogenes was with me.

There were about 100 -150 people there.

I showed my banner very in the front, lots of photos.

Then went and put my signs

TOTALLY ANONYMOUS STRESS TEST

TOTALLY ANONYMOUS PINCH TEST

FIND OUT WHAT IS RUINING YOUR LIFE?

TOTALLY ANONYMOUS!

the DJ made an announcement, people were VERY
supportive of the
presence of the feezone, many congratulated me and
thanked me for
being there.

I did about 6 pinch test. about 10 strss tests and
about 10 ruin findings

People were VEEEERy happy of seeing a real e-mete and
there were lots
of photos

I did not take that many as I was busy giving the
test, bus about
everybody had cameras and are begginig to post them
and I am searching
them in the anonymous group in dc website and will
post the links

I enden with my throat coarse as I was next to the mic
and had to gave
instructions compiting with the boom boxes.

I had talked in the net with some anonymous and
definitely I will be
in the convention of 22 march giving a lecture and a
group processing
session.

I went to the mike and taljk to the group about me,
the freezone, and
how scientology is a tool and is the person using it
who decides how
to use it, and how we are not in a games condition
with the3 church,
but prefer to deliver scientology as a more worthwhile
game.

It was definitely recorded and was in video streaming,
I will find the
video in youtube when somebody post it (people went
wild)

Afterwards was approached by arnie lerna, I thanked
him for helped me
one time I called him shortly after I left the church,
he tried to
convince me that I was half out already and had to
leave scientology
completely, that if I prefer I should use hipnotism, I
acknoledged him
and told him that this works for me, but again thanks
for helping me.
He left, I took some photos of him and me, (I
believed, it was not,
the other guy did not pressed the button) but there
were more people
taking photos.

There is at least two guys interested in a
introductory session.

You guys have NO IDEA how people LOVE the freezone.

(I think it was because I was the living proff that
their protest was
against the abuses of the CofS and not against the
subject of scientology)

Any way, will post more, but these are the photos that
I have in my
camera (next time, make damm sure I bring a
photographer)

Victor Sandino

Below the videos.

http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=WdSjGxxTF7k

Diogenes

http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=g7aXJXHDwGg

victor sandino ruiz

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For more information on services in the Freezone,
mail me, Terril Park, at bbafzao@hotmail. com
This address can also be found in the next URL.

To find out more about us and to join our
forums see our websites at :-

http://www.freewebs .com/techoutside thecofs

http://internationa lfreezone. net

Below one may see a British TV program of
scientology as its use.

http://video. google.co. uk/videoplay? docid=1786568759 674213741& q=begin

For those who are quite new to the subjects of
Dianetics and Scientology, we have a forum where
your questions can be answered, and their is a minimum
of the quite extensive specialised terminology of
these subjects. The forum website also has a couple of
dictionaries of scientology terms.

http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/Freezone10 1
 
GREAT JOB TERRIL!!!

Spliting Scientology corrupt management and organization

from

SCIENTOLOGY the body of knowledge we know works!!!


ARC,

MR
 

Old Timer

Patron
GREAT JOB TERRIL!!!

Spliting Scientology corrupt management and organization from SCIENTOLOGY the body of knowledge we know works!!!

ARC,
MR

I agree.
I'm only recently out of the Co$ and immediately started looking for a group that was continuing with Ron's Tech.
Thank you to all of the people in the FZ (specifically the CBR version) and people like Terril for keeping the torch lit.
 

AnonKat

Crusader
lol

Posting in Terrils thread :D

http://www.freezoneauditors.org/auditor/success/13/
Franklin and Mary Freeman

Mary came into Scn at the NY Org in the 60’s and immediately went on staff.
She trained to Class IV at FCDC and returned to NY staff where she held various Tech positions such as Auditor, Review Auditor, Qual Sec Day and Tech Sec Fdn.
She went to St. Hill in England where she did the Saint Hill Special Briefing Course and Class VII Course and Internship. From there she attended the first AO on the flagship under LRH, and then continued her OT levels to OT VI at AOUK in Edinburgh, Scotland.

From there she was sent to the flagship in Corfu, Greece to do the first Class VIII Course directly under LRH. It was there that Ron said that a Class VIII can put Ethics in anywhere on the planet, and Mary took that pretty literally.
After that she was the first Class VIII C/S of the NY Org, and later CCNY, and CCLA. She also did the HSST (Class VIII Permanent C/S Course) at AOLA.

At ASHO she was the Power and Power repair auditor, and at AOLA she was an OT Review auditor where she also delivered OT VII.

At Flag in Clearwater she did other courses including the Ethics Specialist Course.
After resigning from the church in 1983, she studied and audited NOTS under David Mayo.
Meanwhile, Mary specialized and expanded on the Ethics Condtions, as they apply personally to the first dynamic, and developed a comprehensive Ethics Program, which she still delivers on a regular basis.

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Franklin also did the first Class VIII Course, as well as the first Data Series/Evaluator course under LRH. He worked directly for Ron on the ship and on Sea Org missions, and was highly commended for his successful results. He was the first permanent Class VIII.

Franklin also helped LRH establish the Land Base in Clearwater, Florida. He was Sr. C/S at AOLA, held the position of Qual Sec, Flag Service Org in Clearwater, as well as Diana Hubbard’s personal auditor.

Besides auditing and C/Sing all levels, Franklin specializes in training auditors, both solo and professional.
 
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