Sparrow says, "I'm upping the ante -- All bets are off -- Body thetan, Body thetan"

CornPie

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At 3:35 (3 minutes 35 seconds) into this video, Executive Director of scientology's Washington, DC USA Org, Kim Belati is on video rubbing an issue into Anon Sparrow's face; from his 'confidential' confessional pre-clear folder. Moments later, the man she was with, laughs heartily at Sparrow.

At 8:03 Sparrow vows, "All bets are off -- I'm upping the ante". He said that now he will start mentioning the "confidential stuff", body thetans, OT 8 and how people, "mocked up their past lives".
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SPXMlqPWvCM
 
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DCAnon

Silver Meritorious Patron
I'm betting he'll break out his stash of suppressive cupcakes and taunt them with their chocolatey goodness.
 

AnonOrange

Gold Meritorious Patron
Sparrow needs to take screen shots of the kid that got into the PC folder warehouse recently.

He needs to make them realize THEIR info is just as much at risk.
 

Div6

Crusader
I dont' know (and do not want to know) what is in your PC folders, but that "comment" appeared to me to be just some light improv between too people. So I wouldn't introvert on it too much. That is what they *want* you to do.
(Besides, as you find out later, its not *you*, its your BT's...).

From what I have seen, if they go for the pc folder stuff they reallly shove it in your face.....

So....flunk on bullbaiting.


Start!
 

Smurf

Gold Meritorious SP
At 3:35 (3 minutes 35 seconds) into this video, Executive Director of scientology's Washington, DC USA Org, Kim Belati is on video rubbing an issue into Anon Sparrow's face; a confidential confession from his pre-clear folder. Moments later, the man she said it to, laughs heartily at Sparrow.

At 8:03 Sparrow vows that, "All bets are off -- I'm upping the ante". He said that now he will start mentioning the "confidential stuff", body thetans, OT 8 and how people, "mocked up their past lives".
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SPXMlqPWvCM

They pull that shit on me all the time. I just act like they don't know what they're talking about. If you visibly react to their bullbaiting, they see it and it empowers them to do more.
 

Roan

Patron with Honors
At 3:35 (3 minutes 35 seconds) into this video, Executive Director of scientology's Washington, DC USA Org, Kim Belati is on video rubbing an issue into Anon Sparrow's face; a confidential confession from his pre-clear folder. Moments later, the man she said it to, laughs heartily at Sparrow.
Hold on there.

It's not at all clear to me that that is what happened. Go back and watch the video again. For one thing, it was not the ED, but the black guy walking with her that uttered it.

Scientology staff have been briefed (however inaccurately and unfairly it may be) on the origins and nature of Anonymous. They would have been told of the lolita photos or child porn that are or were a part of the original Anonymous/Chan. culture.

"I've heard they are child molesters!" would be a point hammered (at briefings) into the head of staffers at Orgs. such as this.

The black guy says: "I've heard some of these guys are child molestors."
It seems to me if they were specifically trying to DA AnonSparrow as a sexual deviant they would have said something like: "There's that creepy child molester, Joe Blow... we know what his crimes are!"
Or maybe something like: "I've heard he is a child molestor."

It didn't come across to me like he was specifically referring to a PC folder. They were just getting in a dig at him, based on "boogy-man" stories they've been told.

I think AnonSparrow over-reacted. And it might even be able to be framed by OSA as an Anonymouse/AnonSparrow footbullet! :omg:
It could be construed and shown to staff as video evidence of an Anon. readily confessing to sexual "crimes." AnonSparrow jumps right in and refers to the fact that there is something sexually controversial in his folder :duh: ...but not child molestation. Not a well thought thru reaction to what was just a dig by some Org. staffers.

Does Scientology misuse PC folder material? Of course it does. But this video is not at all evidence of it, IMO.

And/but this all takes nothing away from the outstanding, HIGHLY effective picketing AnonSparrow is doing out there.

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CornPie

Patron Meritorious
Smurf said in post #6>
...They pull that shit on me all the time. I just act like they don't know what they're talking about. If you visibly react to their bullbaiting, they see it and it empowers them to do more...

My (CornPie) reply>
How about having a 2nd look at any videos you have laying around?

Roan said in post #7>
...It didn't come across to me like he was 'specifically' referring to a PC folder. They were just getting in a dig at him [Sparrow]...

My (CornPie) reply>
OSA's tactic is using 'innuendo', in order that there will be no 'specific' proof. Like they did with the pre-clear who had an incident with a sheep, which he confessed. Then when he began protesting, OSA used innuendo when they said, "Baaaaa" to him, and laughed in his face. The former pre-clear was almost certain that OSA had abused their power, and culled his 'confidential' confessional folder, but you can't 'prove' it.
 
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SchwimmelPuckel

Genuine Meatball
<snip> but you can't 'prove' it.
You said it! - It's useless!

We do need to watch out for instances where a clear and unmistakeable reference is made... Or nail 'em for something that IS proveable or at least plausible.. And in fact we do have ample 'crimes' that CoS did that we can pester them with.

Well.. 'Gaslighting' is unproveable by design and you can't ever be sure, as you like to lecture us..

So guess what.. OSA 'designed' that shit so as to make us try and use it.. It's useless. so that will make us look like paranoid and delusional idiots... Hmm.. We'll look like that even if OSA didn't design it that way.. Which, BTW, I don't think they did.. They don't have the intellectual wherewhithal to think of it..

In this present instance I'm with Roan.

If I recall correctly.. The allegations about Anonymous being child molesters was in the flyers that CoS made already in march '08.. I don't think that was a reference to Anon Sparrows PC folders either.

:eyeroll:
 

CornPie

Patron Meritorious
You said it! - It's useless!...

...'Gaslighting' is unproveable by design...

...OSA 'designed' that shit so as to make us try and use it.. It's useless. so that will make us look like paranoid and delusional idiots...
In a court of law, the video is useless, and no lawyer would ever let it get to court, because it's not provable.

However, in the court of public opinion, showing video of OSA's 'innuendo' tactic is extremely useful. The more accounts like this, the more people will believe that OSA is filthy.

Yes OSA does it on purpose, but it's a two edge sword. On one hand scientology's threats will bludgeon existing scientologists into fear of speaking out. But on the other hand, Internet videos like this, will deter people away from scientology. Who can really trust scientology? The more examples, the more people will believe it, and the more useful it becomes.

I once watched video of Bob Minton, he questioned the stories of people being harassed by scientology -- after all, they were not proovable. Then one day two men followed his children. But what really drove it home, was watching videos of former Guardian's Office (GO) Op Patty Pieniadz, and watching Frank Oliver admit he was involved in, "finding people's weak spots, and exploiting them." Enough of these accounts made it believable.

In my opinion, Sparrow and Minton do 'not' come across as, "paranoid and delusional idiots". The more people who tell their accounts, the more credible it will be. But there will always be somebody who calls them paranoid, because there's no proof, and say it's useless, so they should shut-up. OSA is counting on people not speaking out about their 'innuendo' and 'gaslighting'.
 
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byte301

Crusader
He does a great job of enturbulating them. They have no confront at all. They won't even look at him.

I don't think he flunks at bullbaiting at all.:)
 

anon2487

Patron with Honors
...However, in the court of public opinion, I think this video is an extremely useful example...
For the "church" maybe. It certainly doesn't help anyone protesting. (Unless you think being linked to child molestation is a good thing.)
 

CornPie

Patron Meritorious
Sparrow needs to take screen shots of the kid that got into the PC folder warehouse recently.

He needs to make them [scn staff members] realize THEIR info is just as much at risk.
AnonOrange I agree, if scientologists won't go to the Internet, how about taking the Internet to them. Such as pictures or video of the kid in the Dallas, Texas confessional folder room, or when Sparrow played audio of scientology spokesperson Tommy Davis's voice when he blew a gasket, and when he showed staff pictures of the Int Gold fence with spikes pointing inward.
Video of the kid in post #38: http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?t=12211
I think scientologists should see the kid dancing, and looking inside of PC folders -- as sickening as that is.
 
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rich

Silver Meritorious Patron
That DC org must be haunted. They need to oil the front door hinges. I guess they might as well wait till after halloween now.
 

uniquemand

Unbeliever
Smurf said in post #6>
...They pull that shit on me all the time. I just act like they don't know what they're talking about. If you visibly react to their bullbaiting, they see it and it empowers them to do more...

My (CornPie) reply>
How about having a 2nd look at any videos you have laying around?

Roan said in post #7>
...It didn't come across to me like he was 'specifically' referring to a PC folder. They were just getting in a dig at him [Sparrow]...

My (CornPie) reply>
OSA's tactic is using 'innuendo', in order that there will be no 'specific' proof. Like they did with the pre-clear who had an incident with a sheep, which he confessed. Then when he began protesting, OSA used innuendo when they said, "Baaaaa" to him, and laughed in his face. The former pre-clear was almost certain that OSA had abused their power, and culled his 'confidential' confessional folder, but you can't 'prove' it.

It's called a missed withhold.
 

CornPie

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Sparrow Delivers on Vow -- Begins Mentioning; Xenu, Body Thetans (BT's), the Volcanos

At 4:05 (4 minutes 5 seconds) into this video, Anon Sparrow delivers on his vow to begin mentioning confidential material to people entering-exiting scientology's Washington, DC USA Org.

At 7:40 Sparrow plays the L ron hubbard recording mentioning; Xenu, Body Thetans (BT's), the volcano, DC-8 airplane, Planet Tegeak (Earth), the Supreme RooLah (Xenu), they were about to un-elect him.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=AnokzeFqCvk
 
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Roan

Patron with Honors
At 4:05 (4 minutes 5 seconds) into this video, Anon Sparrow delivers on his vow to begin mentioning, scientology's confidential material and OT-3 Body Thetans (BT's).

At 7:40 Sparrow plays L ron hubbard's OT-3 recording mentioning; Xenu, Body Thetans (BT's), the volcano, DC-8 airplane, planet Tegeak (Earth), the Supreme RooLah [Xenu], they were about to un-elect him.

He's retaliating for something that actually didn't happen? :giggle:

That part is not his most effective picketing, IMO. We should not reveal the OT level info and crap like that to the average rube walking in and out of an Org., generally speaking. Better to present to them mock ups and print outs of the SP Times headlines, stuff like that... and the other effective picketing he's doing.

But I'm prolly just nit-picking at this point. :duck:

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CornPie

Patron Meritorious
At :45 seconds into this video, Sparrow reads OT-8 material to people entering the Washinton, DC org. The 1st guy really took his time walking into the org, he listened to it all. The 2nd guy heard every word of it too. (This is his video #65, dated July 10, 2009.)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ONEUMgaWVLs
Sparrow said, "Here's some OT8 for you -- Why thetans mock up. The only way a thetan ever gets into trouble, the only way he can get trapped and become part of a cluster, is by mocking up and making pictures of bad experiences. One can explain it by saying that thetans become bored, and have a yearning for event or excitment. Or that thetans mock up pictures as an abberated form of havingness."

I noticed in the last 4 days, July 12-15, 2009, (#68-71) Sparrow has not mentioned OT3 thru OT8 Xenu, Body Thetans (BT's), mock ups, etc. This page shows all of Sparrow's YouTube videos: http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=anonsparrow1&view=videos
 
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Knows

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Re: Sparrow says, "I'm upping the ante -- All bets are off -- Body thetan, Body theta

At 3:35 (3 minutes 35 seconds) into this video, Executive Director of scientology's Washington, DC USA Org, Kim Belati is on video rubbing an issue into Anon Sparrow's face; from his 'confidential' confessional pre-clear folder. Moments later, the man she was with, laughs heartily at Sparrow.

At 8:03 Sparrow vows, "All bets are off -- I'm upping the ante". He said that now he will start mentioning the "confidential stuff", body thetans, OT 8 and how people, "mocked up their past lives".
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SPXMlqPWvCM

This says (March 4, 2014) "video is private" ...Does anyone have it? I love Anon Sparrow's video's - they are dauntless and resolute! :yes:
 

Knows

Gold Meritorious Patron
Re: Sparrow says, "I'm upping the ante -- All bets are off -- Body thetan, Body theta

At 3:35 (3 minutes 35 seconds) into this video, Executive Director of scientology's Washington, DC USA Org, Kim Belati is on video rubbing an issue into Anon Sparrow's face; from his 'confidential' confessional pre-clear folder. Moments later, the man she was with, laughs heartily at Sparrow.

At 8:03 Sparrow vows, "All bets are off -- I'm upping the ante". He said that now he will start mentioning the "confidential stuff", body thetans, OT 8 and how people, "mocked up their past lives".
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SPXMlqPWvCM

What happened to Sparrow's videos. I popped my corn and was ready for some laughs and NO video - Watsup?:bigcry::grouch:

I hope Sparrow is not on his A-E or A-J or whatever that thingie is that an SP has to do to get in good graces with the evil cult of Scientology. Did they pay Sparrow off? I have not seen him around and he won't respond to any private messages anywhere.

Does the cult take people like Sparrow - buy their souls in exchange for ratting others out?
 
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