St. Petersburg Times: Rinder, Rathbun, and more speak out

Div6

Crusader
I thought it might be interesting to *some* people (but not all) if I posted one of the LRH definitions of "Musical Chairs":

"6. musical chairs in life is the mechanism below ARC
breaks in Grade III! To unstabilise gives ARC breaks! Whole staff can be put into a sad effect! This is the mechanism governments use. It's the basic tool of the socialist. If he can just unstabilise everyone he can kill them with degrade. It's a basic tool of the insane to maintain their own stability by unstabilising everyone else."

Emphasis added.

:omg:
 

LA SCN

NOT drinking the kool-aid
I thought ir might be interesting to *some* people (but not all) if I posted one of the LRH definitions of "Musical Chairs":

"6. musical chairs in life is the mechanism below ARC
breaks in Grade III! To unstabilise gives ARC breaks! Whole staff can be put into a sad effect! This is the mechanism governments use. It's the basic tool of the socialist. If he can just unstabilise everyone he can kill them with degrade. It's a basic tool of the insane to maintain their own stability by unstabilising everyone else."

Emphasis added.

:omg:

Spot F*cking on, Divvy!!! :thumbsup:
 

Emma

Con te partirò
Administrator
Hi Guys. Do you remember this?

FlunkedForLaughing posted the following, in the thread, “It is sad to see friends not waking up”

Now lets compare that to a psychic friend I met recently. Her spiritual abilities blow away the OTVII's that could read minds. She has had her gift from birth. No Scientology training or auditing at all. She always could read minds, communicate with ghosts, and even see the past and predict the future. She can know things about people that she has never met. This is some amazing stuff. There are a few people in the world who have this gift. She's one of them.

She once went over to CCInt, and she said it was like watching the movie "The Night Of The Living Dead", where people look sorta normal but are really zombies (dead people walking around) and in a robotic way say "Hi, it's very nice to meet you". She could feel that everyone had their brain turned off, like they were brainwashed, and was like a robot walking around. This is from her observation with the abilities she has.

Oh, and while I'm thinking of it, I asked her what's the future looking like for the CO$. She said there was some really bad news coming this summer against the CO$ (June, July, or August 2009). She said it's going to be all over the news, everywhere. She didn't say what it was going to be about, but it would be really bad news for them. Oh, and she said something else, about some lady who was going to be very helpful in bringing down the church. Can't say any more than that, because I know OSA reads these posts. I wouldn't want to ruin the surprise, or make it diffiCULT on her because of extra OSA attention. But let's see if the first prediction comes true. It's only a few months away.

http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?t=10375&page=2

Well, we have just experienced the first prophecy.

I am now impatient for the second. Perhaps the lady referred to, is Shelly Miscavige.

Regards, David.

Hmmmm...maybe Debbie Cook? :omg:
 

thetabird

Patron
I was thinking the same thing.

I have been reading a lot of things on this site. I was never a staff member of any sort, was too scary for me. I trained up to class V auditor and co audited through the grades. I never got the gains LRH talked about. Went on the Freewinds on a case crack. They really didn't find anything, so I just did a course. I was so stressed on that trip, I blew my adrenals and thyroid. I was so afraid of not getting off the ship, I finished my course in record time. I was a pleaser. My stats were high, and most of the time I had good indicators, so I got very little help with my discomfort. I still have trouble when I go to Miami for other things. Through all my co audits, I never saw an f/n that looked like the simulator or films. I guess I faked it with my pc's good indicators! I felt like such a fraud. I finally got enough when a friend sent me to ethics for some of the spiritual help websites I went to. Never could admit that I was doing something wrong.

I guess what I am writing about is, that I never heard anything about what went on in this thread. I wonder how many people like me just missed it. I was always careful not to natter or tell anyone my uneasiness about the church. I actually blew Flag. I really felt like a criminal. It was like a movie with them chasing me up to my car and me fleeing them. It was awful. And I felt like I actually was doing something wrong. Forl years I have kept this to myself, not even telling my husband or closest friends.

I actually refinanced my homel to pay off my credit cards. I needed help, and tried so hard to get it. I also have probably $18,000 on account at various places. You can't sell the briefing course you know. I have been out for about 4 years, and still get calls, which I won't answer. Don't you just love caller ID!!

Anyway, I am so sorry you all went through what you did, and I hope the church pays for all the harm they have dealt out. I am also sorry, that I was so wishy washy, and didn't learn to say no. But truly they are so good at what they are trained to do=get you and keep you. Thanks for listening
 

Good twin

Floater
I was thinking the same thing.

I have been reading a lot of things on this site. I was never a staff member of any sort, was too scary for me. I trained up to class V auditor and co audited through the grades. I never got the gains LRH talked about. Went on the Freewinds on a case crack. They really didn't find anything, so I just did a course. I was so stressed on that trip, I blew my adrenals and thyroid. I was so afraid of not getting off the ship, I finished my course in record time. I was a pleaser. My stats were high, and most of the time I had good indicators, so I got very little help with my discomfort. I still have trouble when I go to Miami for other things. Through all my co audits, I never saw an f/n that looked like the simulator or films. I guess I faked it with my pc's good indicators! I felt like such a fraud. I finally got enough when a friend sent me to ethics for some of the spiritual help websites I went to. Never could admit that I was doing something wrong.

I guess what I am writing about is, that I never heard anything about what went on in this thread. I wonder how many people like me just missed it. I was always careful not to natter or tell anyone my uneasiness about the church. I actually blew Flag. I really felt like a criminal. It was like a movie with them chasing me up to my car and me fleeing them. It was awful. And I felt like I actually was doing something wrong. Forl years I have kept this to myself, not even telling my husband or closest friends.

I actually refinanced my homel to pay off my credit cards. I needed help, and tried so hard to get it. I also have probably $18,000 on account at various places. You can't sell the briefing course you know. I have been out for about 4 years, and still get calls, which I won't answer. Don't you just love caller ID!!

Anyway, I am so sorry you all went through what you did, and I hope the church pays for all the harm they have dealt out. I am also sorry, that I was so wishy washy, and didn't learn to say no. But truly they are so good at what they are trained to do=get you and keep you. Thanks for listening

We were all blind by our own choosing. I only saw what I wanted to see even when I saw things I didn't want to see. What I mean is when I found out about something that would have been a HUGE red flag to anyone not in the cult, I immediately found comfort in some Scientological explaination.

Learning new explainations for human behavior has been amazing. I think the first big wow that I had outside of the cult was learning about cognitive dissonance. It's a sort of convoluted sounding term and that's probably why I was comfortable looking it up on Wikipedia. It really cracked my case! LOL There has been more since then and I find it impossible to find any credibility in Scientology any more. But I do still understand what it feels like to believe and think like a Scientologist.

I had heard that your case was cracked by the Basics. I was already out and learning about real life. I knew it was a lie. I'm so glad you are out and free. :thumbsup:
 

TG1

Angelic Poster
LOL, Emma. I sure would like to find that psychic lady and interview her now.

FlunkedforLaughing, where are you? Can you put us all in touch with your psychic lady friend?

TG1
 

Boojuum

Silver Meritorious Patron
I was thinking the same thing.

I have been reading a lot of things on this site. I was never a staff member of any sort, was too scary for me. I trained up to class V auditor and co audited through the grades. I never got the gains LRH talked about. Went on the Freewinds on a case crack. They really didn't find anything, so I just did a course. I was so stressed on that trip, I blew my adrenals and thyroid. I was so afraid of not getting off the ship, I finished my course in record time. I was a pleaser. My stats were high, and most of the time I had good indicators, so I got very little help with my discomfort. I still have trouble when I go to Miami for other things. Through all my co audits, I never saw an f/n that looked like the simulator or films. I guess I faked it with my pc's good indicators! I felt like such a fraud. I finally got enough when a friend sent me to ethics for some of the spiritual help websites I went to. Never could admit that I was doing something wrong.

I guess what I am writing about is, that I never heard anything about what went on in this thread. I wonder how many people like me just missed it. I was always careful not to natter or tell anyone my uneasiness about the church. I actually blew Flag. I really felt like a criminal. It was like a movie with them chasing me up to my car and me fleeing them. It was awful. And I felt like I actually was doing something wrong. Forl years I have kept this to myself, not even telling my husband or closest friends.

I actually refinanced my homel to pay off my credit cards. I needed help, and tried so hard to get it. I also have probably $18,000 on account at various places. You can't sell the briefing course you know. I have been out for about 4 years, and still get calls, which I won't answer. Don't you just love caller ID!!

Anyway, I am so sorry you all went through what you did, and I hope the church pays for all the harm they have dealt out. I am also sorry, that I was so wishy washy, and didn't learn to say no. But truly they are so good at what they are trained to do=get you and keep you. Thanks for listening

Try to understand that the people who you met in Scientology who were regging you for money were experts. Maybe they didn't look like it but they were. They found ways for people to mortgage houses, max out credit cards, take out ridiculous lines of credit, sell sacred possessions, borrow from grandma all on a daily basis. Consider yourself lucky and strong enough to avoid being recruited for staff.

You were up against pro's. We all were and we weren't prepared for it.
 

thetabird

Patron
Thank all of you for answering. One of the things I granted myself was that I tried very hard to take responsibility for my actions. Yes, they are pros. Another reason I won't talk to them. After reading what little I could find about the "hole" and whatever RPF is, I can't imagine anyone putting up with that. But I think staffers are victims of whatever it is that keeps us in. Just blind I guess. I kept quiet,, didn't want to natter. Basically I just thought I was different and a harder nut to crack. Now I'm glad I ran out of money!!! As far as staff, it just scared the hell out of me. But I do worry about some of the people I met there. Wonder if they are still in or what.
 

thetabird

Patron
GoodTwin, were you talking about my case being cracked on the Basics? Or jus in general? I never did the basics. They sold me the new books, so I guess they were talking about cracking my back!!! I love hearing about lies, that I truly can witness first hand. It then becomes reality not mind games.
 

Good twin

Floater
GoodTwin, were you talking about my case being cracked on the Basics? Or jus in general? I never did the basics. They sold me the new books, so I guess they were talking about cracking my back!!! I love hearing about lies, that I truly can witness first hand. It then becomes reality not mind games.

I was told that you had been a good student but never really had your "ruin" handled and had even gone to the ship for case cracking. Then when the basics came out you bought them and while reading one of the books you found the exact reference that cracked your case and handled your original ruin. You wrote a huge and glowing success story was what was reported to me.

I was out. I knew it was some stupid PR crap being sold to people who blew off the basics, like I had. I'm glad you ran out of money too. But I have a feeling you knew you couldn't play with those crackpots much longer anyway, otherwise you would have used up the money you have on account.

Why not ask for a repayment? While refunds are difficult to get repayments are still possible and there is a thread here on ESMB with a write up of how to get your money on account back from the cult. (It doesn't include doing the routing form)
 

Good twin

Floater
thread necro-ing can be awesome, this is one.

:clap:

ESMB is a gold mine. I wish I was OSA and could get paid for reading every thread that has ever been posted here. I certainly tried, but eventually decided to try more and more bits of real life and ESMB just keeps producing brilliant and important information.

I hope it never slows down and I never catch up. That's why I can't quit.
 

freethinker

Sponsor
The sad part of it is is that we read these things and thought Hubbard was teaching us what to look out for when in reality he was giving the insane the intructions on how to maintain power and destroy resistance. He hid his true intentions in plain sight.
I thought it might be interesting to *some* people (but not all) if I posted one of the LRH definitions of "Musical Chairs":

"6. musical chairs in life is the mechanism below ARC
breaks in Grade III! To unstabilise gives ARC breaks! Whole staff can be put into a sad effect! This is the mechanism governments use. It's the basic tool of the socialist. If he can just unstabilise everyone he can kill them with degrade. It's a basic tool of the insane to maintain their own stability by unstabilising everyone else."

Emphasis added.

:omg:
 
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