I have a new opinion about ESMB

Discussion in 'Freezone, Independents, and Other Flavors of Scien' started by dexter gelfand, Nov 27, 2010.

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  1. SchwimmelPuckel

    SchwimmelPuckel Genuine Meatball

    No! - And I'll need to scream generalities out the window because of that remark of yours!

  2. uniquemand

    uniquemand Unbeliever

    I minded writing them. It was really embarrassing when a success story was read at a staff meeting, too. I never needed people clapping for me, I always felt like the "win" was the reward, so why the fuck are they clapping?

    I've had a number of people I worked with, and only a few offered to write a success story (or as they called it, a "testimonial"). I was happy to have them write it down, and I keep it in a little folder to look at, sometimes, but really, it's between me and them and whoever they want to share it with.

    IMO, it's gross to solicit these things and then spread them around.
  3. justaguy

    justaguy Patron Meritorious

    Never underestimate the power of a single post.

    37 pages in 3 days.

  4. Terril park

    Terril park Sponsor

    It seemed pretty clear to me that prior to ESMB there were more ex
    CO$ coming to FZ forums than there were new critics arriving to the net.
    However by creating a forum that had some measure of keeping things civilized a far greater number of critics were forthcoming. OCMB and ARS
    were pretty rough places where many it seems did not want to post even if they lurked. In comparison ESMB has encouraged many more to actively participate. Also in these last few years numbers of people leaving COS
    have accelerated. Note that the more, shall we say indoctrinated, scientologists consider this place a waiting room for hell. This in particular being an opinion of those on Marty's blog. I've challenged that view from time to time there. You seemed to have taken a very good balance in how you have moderated, and ESMB has been thus a great success and socially very beneficial.


    Well I've visited the establishment Fluffy is referring to, know the people.
    My guess is the only pressure put on her was being asked.

    Most people in our FZ forums wouldn't like to visit a critical forum. However
    they are happy to give me permission to post them there. You are actually inn a position to see that what SSs are posted on FZ forums are identical to
    the ones I've posted here.
  5. Lurker5

    Lurker5 Gold Meritorious Patron

    :clap: Thank you, Feral.
  6. Lurker5

    Lurker5 Gold Meritorious Patron


    I am a bit lost and trying to catch up, piece it together. That's what I get for being gone over long weekend.

    What lists? I understand the threads, New Opinion FZ/ESMB - and I am piecing together the gist of all this, but GEES, what lists?

    I am not an ex - if that helps explain why I don't have a clue what the lists are about.

    Anyone? Bueller? Ferris Bueller?
    Last edited: Nov 30, 2010
  7. Lurker5

    Lurker5 Gold Meritorious Patron

    THIS \/ \/ \/

    THIS /\ /\ /\ /\

    A school yard, some of this. :confused2::unsure:
  8. Veda

    Veda Sponsor

    Tell them to buck up and dare to briefly associate with those who participate on ESMB, and to post their Success Stories themselves on ESMB in the FZ/Indie/Ron's Orgs section of the Message Board. http://www.forum.exscn.net/showpost.php?p=503572&postcount=43
  9. Lurker5

    Lurker5 Gold Meritorious Patron

    Maybe ??

    Maybe the reason I don't know wht the hell is going on, is because I never read the fz sucess stories thread. I never cared to do that . . . That is a big hole for me . . . :eyeroll:
  10. nexus100

    nexus100 Gold Meritorious Patron

    It's still there. Bring lunch.
  11. Voltaire's Child

    Voltaire's Child Fool on the Hill

    Not really, BB, my friend. The pressure was more than just being asked certain things. There were some pretty scathing things said. I dealt with it, of course, but I can't say that it was good or that it was just being asked things.

    Ems, I've dealt with high pressure regging techniques. I didn't find that any tougher than OCMB. And then again, I'm an ornery bitch. But, before people start rolling their eyes, I will say that the pressures I experienced when on staff in CofS were far worse than either. If I were going to make a comparison between the afore mentioned cyber experience and some CofS thing, I'd select the being on staff situation as being probably one of the worst pressures and heartaches I have ever personally experienced. Way worse than regging, way worse than anything outside CofS. To get worse than that, I'd have to have either been in the SO or living in Afghanistan. Outside experiencing either of those things, which I didn't, I'd say being on staff was the worst experience of my life. The one bright spot in it was my marriage to John which also happened during that time. You know, when we managed to have squeezed it in between bouts of sexual harassment, screaming, threats, double teaming, mixed signals, broken promises and overwork. It makes high pressure Flag regging seem like a walk in the park and that, in turn, is a walk in the park compared to my past experiences on OCMB.
  12. Lurker5

    Lurker5 Gold Meritorious Patron


    Yep, well I went there, and browsed a few pages - and then knew WHY I never clicked on that thread before . . .

    And now that I have almost finished this thread, and read up on a bunch of other stuff that I did a search on, I am starting to get it . . .
  13. dexter gelfand

    dexter gelfand Patron Meritorious

    I missed you too, Trouble:)

    Love, Dex
  14. dexter gelfand

    dexter gelfand Patron Meritorious

    Hey Emma, actually I was coached by the same guy who photoshops CoS events to make an audience of 14 RPFers and 3 people looking for the Goldberg Bar Mitzvah look like a rapt audience of 2,000:D

    Love, Dex
  15. EP - Ethics Particle

    EP - Ethics Particle Gold Meritorious Patron

    My take on Dex's hiatus...

    It mighta been Dex - I'm not sure. :unsure:

    But insofar as I'm concerned, Dex never left :no: there was no disturbance in the force. :eyeroll::wink2:

  16. nexus100

    nexus100 Gold Meritorious Patron

    Now wait a minute. Everyone comes and goes places all the time. Why is this such a big deal, especially when no one is really even moving anywhere? They're just typing on a keyboard, for God's sake. I myself come and go DOZENS of times a week-and that's just to the bathroom!

    So while we all appreciate the history of this thing, let's get some perspective and get on to the real important stuff, whatever the hell that is.
  17. Panda Termint

    Panda Termint Cabal Of One

    It's easily explained; one thread has "ESMB" in the title and the other has "Freezoners", which do you suppose would invite more attention?
  18. EP - Ethics Particle

    EP - Ethics Particle Gold Meritorious Patron

    Important stuff...coming & going...

    The sad part about this story is that I only remember the punch line...

    ...the office staff was looking out the window anxiously, and one cried out
    ''is the General coming?"

    A muffled voice from the bathroom says "not yet, but his eyes are gettin' glassy!"

    It's things like this that affirm and validate me as a true "Ethics Particle". :p

  19. Mark A. Baker

    Mark A. Baker Sponsor

    Yes, Nex, but Dexter is LIKED ! :whistling:

    Mark A. Baker :)
  20. nexus100

    nexus100 Gold Meritorious Patron

    You try to make light of a situation and get stabbed in the back.

    I may as well be in Hollywood. :melodramatic: